Fr ? - Page 5

murrindindi · 03-25-13, 05:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Barlow

Since I have been a member on varanus.net I have not witnessed him personally attack another well respected member of any forum.

Hi, perhaps you should search through threads around a year or so ago to see how Frank R. told Justin Burokas (krusty) he knew nothing about monitors because he`d never seen them in the wild, and the information he (krusty) was getting from his contacts in Australia was probably not reliable (though Justin had stated they were very reliable sources), this went on for a couple of days, quite purposefully disrespecting/discrediting him publically.
I only "met" Frank Retes a year or so ago on KS, he invited me to join v. net after we`d had a discussion about offering captive Varanids UVB. I`ve found that if I happen to have a different opinion on something I`m undoubtably wrong, and it seems to be mainly because I cannot compete with his breeding successes (so how could I possibly know something that he doesn`t).
The most recent example was the one about Varanids being able to digest (metabolise) fur, etc, I stated they cannot, he, krusty and YOU suggested they can, providing the temps were high enough for digestion (NONSENSE), and as far as I`m aware, no animal can metabolise fur, it passes through undigested as roughage, yet how many members on that website wil take my word for it?
The same with Lace monitors being obligate termite nesters in much of their range, he disagrees, so it cannot be true?
I made a silly, sarcastic remark to Wayne about him posting threads with the correct spelling and grammar, I regret that and would never discriminate against anyone for any reason.

Lankyrob · 03-25-13, 06:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lady_bug87

Good thing no one asked you...

You're right, noone asked me but i like this forum and dont want it to turn into the type of place where its just slagging people off, when i have an opinion about something i will state it, kinda how a forum works, no?

And as for people talking about me behind my back, i dont care - if their lives are so empty that they have to fill it by talking about me then at least i am providing them with something to do

crocdoc · 03-25-13, 08:52 PM

Barlow/CJ, thanks for the explanation. No bad blood. I apologise for calling you a fanboy - it was simply because it was the second time you'd jumped in to defend FR on another forum.

I'm glad you got some first hand experience at the slippery behaviour of facts in his hands (for eg, the size and age at which his ackies first bred). I have heard some shockers over the years.

For what it's worth, I have never criticised his contribution to monitor captive husbandry. Almost all of our arguments, from day one, have pertained to the behaviour of wild monitors and to his public stance against field biologists. The only argument he and I have had about captives has had to do with nesting for certain species of monitor, but again that is based on different opinions about the behaviour of those monitors in the wild.

Lankyrob, my third post in that series (the one you responded to) wasn't aimed at you, but as I have said before, I have no qualms speaking behind the man's back as I know he does the same to me, on forums on which I can't post. He can come here to post if he wishes and he'll be well aware of these comments, too. Also, as I've said, I haven't hesitated to say the same things to his face, anyway, but those things get quickly deleted on the two forums of which he is a member.

infernalis · 03-26-13, 10:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by crocdoc

Out of curiosity, when FR posts crap about other people on his forum (even people that aren't members of his forum) do you stand up for them, too? Do you criticise FR for posting crap about them? Do you tell him that if he doesn't like them, he should just ignore them? Do you tell FR about the good things they do?

If not, why not?

Do you not see this as being a bit hypocritical on your part?

Thanks.

That's an issue with me too. I tried to participate on his forum, it can't be done, his hardship with me runs so deep that he has to crap all over any thread regardless of topic.

There is a whole thread running on Varanus.net calling me every name in the book. He has told me to go to hell several times, told me to shut up, post elswhere, you name it..

So if it's good for a goose, it's good for a gander.

infernalis · 03-26-13, 10:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Barlow

. But to create websites trying to discredit him,.

Discredit???

FACTS.

When he stops discrediting me, when he stops discrediting SCIENCE, I will stop displaying FACTS.

Fair enough?

smy_749 · 03-26-13, 10:30 AM

Lankyrob, I do agree with what your saying. I just feel that from the short time I was on his forums, the amount of people who said the same thing I'm saying (not only here, there is threads on other forums as well), I feel he deserves an exception to the rule.

Also I don't agree with people posting "who cares what you think on a forum" this is a place to post what you think. Saying who cares what you think is basically what causes people to dislike FR as well.

murrindindi · 03-26-13, 12:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by infernalis

Discredit???

FACTS.

When he stops discrediting me, when he stops discrediting SCIENCE, I will stop displaying FACTS.

Fair enough?

There`s no "like" buton, so I`ll just say I like that, Wayne....

Vital Exotics · 03-29-13, 09:08 PM

I have been a daily reader and or "lurker" on KS, V.net, V.nl, RepticZone, and others for about as long as they have been around, I have watched FR's attitude and such over the years, as well as all of the conflicts and disagreements with others. I lost my login on V.net for a while, but still read it daily, then when I started posting again a while back, he "hammered" me pretty hard and criticized every post for quite a while, but now he seems to have settled down with me. I stood up to him pretty hard at times and that seems to have helped but who knows. I have learned tons of info from almost everyone online over the years, him included, weather it was good or bad, you can learn something from it. I have heard the same about him being nice in person and I bet he is for the most part, I just wish he would not be the way he is online, as I hear weekly from customers and or other keepers about how he discourages them from our hobby or sucks to "fun" and enjoyment out of it. What happens to the people who get frustrated by reading or dealing with him on V.net (which is where many new keepers seem to read and some post) and they dont find anywhere else for good info? I know for a fact that it slows down progress for "proper" captive keeping of varanids and also discourages many good keepers from sharing valuable info to others, especially on his forum. It sure would be nice to just focus on the monitors that we all enjoy and leave the egos and confrontational personalities at the door....

smy_749 · 03-29-13, 09:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vital Exotics

I have been a daily reader and or "lurker" on KS, V.net, V.nl, RepticZone, and others for about as long as they have been around, I have watched FR's attitude and such over the years, as well as all of the conflicts and disagreements with others. I lost my login on V.net for a while, but still read it daily, then when I started posting again a while back, he "hammered" me pretty hard and criticized every post for quite a while, but now he seems to have settled down with me. I stood up to him pretty hard at times and that seems to have helped but who knows. I have learned tons of info from almost everyone online over the years, him included, weather it was good or bad, you can learn something from it. I have heard the same about him being nice in person and I bet he is for the most part, I just wish he would not be the way he is online, as I hear weekly from customers and or other keepers about how he discourages them from our hobby or sucks to "fun" and enjoyment out of it. What happens to the people who get frustrated by reading or dealing with him on V.net (which is where many new keepers seem to read and some post) and they dont find anywhere else for good info? I know for a fact that it slows down progress for "proper" captive keeping of varanids and also discourages many good keepers from sharing valuable info to others, especially on his forum. It sure would be nice to just focus on the monitors that we all enjoy and leave the egos and confrontational personalities at the door....

nicely said. Does he work with water monitors as well? If he does I'm assuming thats what you got hammered over.

infernalis · 03-30-13, 12:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by smy_749

nicely said. Does he work with water monitors as well? If he does I'm assuming thats what you got hammered over.

He hammers people over species he does not nor never has kept.

monitorlizard · 03-30-13, 06:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by smy_749

nicely said. Does he work with water monitors as well? If he does I'm assuming thats what you got hammered over.

He has kept water monitors before. While I don't know all of the species off the top of my head. I do know he has worked with V. cumingi.

Pirarucu · 03-30-13, 08:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vital Exotics

I have been a daily reader and or "lurker" on KS, V.net, V.nl, RepticZone, and others for about as long as they have been around, I have watched FR's attitude and such over the years, as well as all of the conflicts and disagreements with others. I lost my login on V.net for a while, but still read it daily, then when I started posting again a while back, he "hammered" me pretty hard and criticized every post for quite a while, but now he seems to have settled down with me. I stood up to him pretty hard at times and that seems to have helped but who knows. I have learned tons of info from almost everyone online over the years, him included, weather it was good or bad, you can learn something from it. I have heard the same about him being nice in person and I bet he is for the most part, I just wish he would not be the way he is online, as I hear weekly from customers and or other keepers about how he discourages them from our hobby or sucks to "fun" and enjoyment out of it. What happens to the people who get frustrated by reading or dealing with him on V.net (which is where many new keepers seem to read and some post) and they dont find anywhere else for good info? I know for a fact that it slows down progress for "proper" captive keeping of varanids and also discourages many good keepers from sharing valuable info to others, especially on his forum. It sure would be nice to just focus on the monitors that we all enjoy and leave the egos and confrontational personalities at the door....

Well said.