Het albino retic question - Page 5

**lady_bug87** · 11-27-12, 02:07 PM

... I doubt I can call him and be like "hey, remember in 2009 when you hatched a clutch of BPs and then got rid of a bunch of normals to Big Al's? is mine a het? Great thanks awesome"

so I guess I will never know

reptileexperts · 11-27-12, 02:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Aaron_S

He just meant any of them combined. There's also other genes that work in there too. The mystic/phantom/specials. It's a pretty big complex.

Yep, exactly I did mean Mojave x Mojave would work.

And Aaron, I'm sorry but Mystic? Phantom? Specials? You're not implying that they are a BEL complex eh? These are all potion complexes. . . Mystic Potion, Purple Passions, etc. etc.

Sorry wanted to get clarified on this.

**lady_bug87** · 11-27-12, 02:10 PM

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Originally Posted by millertime89

Normal what? BP? Boa? It could be a het, depending on what it's parents are, but without knowing what the parents are and without a massive breeding project and/or some serious luck there's no real way of knowing. Without knowing the parents its a total crapshoot what to breed it to.

If you have a het bred to a het you *should* get 25% of the offspring visuals, 50% hets, and 25% normals. The real problem there is you don't know which of the non-visual babies are hets, which is why you see possible hets (het to het makes 66% poss. het) listed for sale. The percents are fun to try and figure out.

Yea its my BP

Thanks Kyle. I am not set up for such a project though he's just my cooky BP I was using him as a thought experiment to test my understanding of how hets work

reptileexperts · 11-27-12, 02:11 PM

@Lady, a lot of breeders who are "not known" will not even bother listing hets as anything other than normal because most people only buy Hets from trusted breeders. 66% Hets the same unless it's something big and from a well known breeder. So there is always a chance its het for something ;-) but only multiple generations of line breeding could prove it out. Best to just enjoy it as a normal unless the genetics geek wants to shine!

reptileexperts · 11-27-12, 02:12 PM

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Originally Posted by millertime89

The real problem there is you don't know which of the non-visual babies are hets, which is why you see possible hets (het to het makes 66% poss. het) listed for sale. The percents are fun to try and figure out.

read my previous post about hets ;-)

**lady_bug87** · 11-27-12, 02:15 PM

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@Lady, a lot of breeders who are "not known" will not even bother listing hets as anything other than normal because most people only buy Hets from trusted breeders. 66% Hets the same unless it's something big and from a well known breeder. So there is always a chance its het for something ;-) but only multiple generations of line breeding could prove it out. Best to just enjoy it as a normal unless the genetics geek wants to shine!

I am really interested in genetics, I just cant easily grasp them. The only snake of mine I considered breeding would be either my BCI or my ATB

**millertime89** · 11-27-12, 02:16 PM

Ah, yeah if the breeder whole sold him then he's most likely just a possible het for something or a normal (if he was the non-visual sibling to a co-dom or dom breeding). Sometimes co-dom/dom siblings show some of the visual traits of their siblings but don't actually carry the gene. I don't know of any BPs that have this, but there are Jaguar sibling carpets which look a bit different, and Sunfire sibling retics, and I'm sure there are more.

**Aaron_S** · 11-27-12, 02:17 PM

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Originally Posted by reptileexperts

Yep, exactly I did mean Mojave x Mojave would work.

And Aaron, I'm sorry but Mystic? Phantom? Specials? You're not implying that they are a BEL complex eh? These are all potion complexes. . . Mystic Potion, Purple Passions, etc. etc.

Sorry wanted to get clarified on this.

They're close. The potion complex is related to the BluEL complex. Reason being is that the potions are "super" forms. I'd say sisters.

**millertime89** · 11-27-12, 02:19 PM

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Originally Posted by reptileexperts

read my previous post about hets ;-)

the one below?

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Originally Posted by reptileexperts

@Lady, a lot of breeders who are "not known" will not even bother listing hets as anything other than normal because most people only buy Hets from trusted breeders. 66% Hets the same unless it's something big and from a well known breeder. So there is always a chance its het for something ;-) but only multiple generations of line breeding could prove it out. Best to just enjoy it as a normal unless the genetics geek wants to shine!

Really? Most breeders, even the little guys, I've seen/spoken with always sell poss hets as poss hets, sometimes at a discounted price or in a group just to get them sold. I dunno, just my observation.

**Aaron_S** · 11-27-12, 02:22 PM

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Originally Posted by millertime89

the one below?

Really? Most breeders, even the little guys, I've seen/spoken with always sell poss hets as poss hets, sometimes at a discounted price or in a group just to get them sold. I dunno, just my observation.

Waste of time. It's called wholesale normals.

In the ball world that is.

I never had problems selling hets when starting out. 100% with paperwork. All it takes.

reptileexperts · 11-27-12, 02:22 PM

most of the time people refer to Jaguar Siblings its there way of telling you its not a pure snake:

IJ JAG SIBLING!! translates to: Non morph mut Irian Jaya x Coastal

They look different because of the crosses. No gene, no difference :-) Hets can be visual hets, see prior discussions about pieds and markers. Also Het Red in ball pythons are quite distinct, and even react with other genes.

@Bug: If you just want to play with genetics on the cheap get the fruit flies, they have a few different mutations you can get, they are cheap, breed quick and easy, and you can see genetics in good numbers to show transfer percentages and all that :-)

reptileexperts · 11-27-12, 02:27 PM

They all make potions with Mojaves, but its a different complex. It's not a BEL. . . come come now!

**Aaron_S** · 11-27-12, 02:30 PM

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Originally Posted by reptileexperts

They all make potions with Mojaves, but its a different complex. It's not a BEL. . . come come now!

I said related. The fact they make a super makes them related. Means they lie somewhere upon the same allele.

With the lesser they make WHITE snakes. How is that not related or in the same complex?

reptileexperts · 11-27-12, 02:31 PM

Just because two different set of complexes can react to eachother to make sweet combos does not put the complexes the same - it puts them as compatibile.

**Aaron_S** · 11-27-12, 02:33 PM

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Originally Posted by reptileexperts

Just because two different set of complexes can react to eachother to make sweet combos does not put the complexes the same - it puts them as compatibile.

Which means they are related...