Help: feeding issues GTB - Page 5

**Aaron_S** · 10-11-12, 08:27 AM

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Originally Posted by BarelyBreathing

A four foot enclosure is a different story. We were talking about a two foot enclosure.

I think tubs are fine if they are large. I don't agree with full grown ball pythons is sweater boxes. When I had my ball pythons, I kept them in tubs, too. Four foot tubs. I think if space and welfare of the animals aren't the priorities of a keeper, they shouldn't keep animals.

My enclosures, for emerald tree boas, which is what we are talking about, not green tree pythons or ball pythons:
Here's one before adding branches.

Another

A juvie set up (and that top is plexiglass)

Can you show me your ETB set ups?

The first two pics I took out but they look like 2 foot enclosures from those angles...guess 4 foot isn't what everyone needs.

We aren't talking ball pythons but you brought humans and ALL snake species into the argument with your first "rebuttal" so I went with the snake argument. I don't think you should be talking about "welfare" of animals when you're multi-housing snakes in what SHOULD be only for a single specimen especially of solitary lifestyle.

I admit it by the way, I'm a snake farmer. I keep my snakes in proper set-ups so I can breed them and "harvest" their young. My animals are fed on a proper diet, housed in correct sized tubs and live out a solid, thriving life, where they can move around. They don't get sick, they don't have bad sheds so I don't see what I'm doing wrong.

I'm still waiting for your written sources of medical issues with smaller enclosures with all snakes. I guess you don't. Thanks for playing.

BarelyBreathing · 10-11-12, 11:50 AM

The first one measures four by two by four, but it's turned so that it's deeper than it is wide. You're also not seeing the foot of substrate on the bottom as is necessary to have those live plants.

The second one is a forty gallon. And again, those are very young snakes. They only lived in there until their quarantine period was up.

**Aaron_S** · 10-11-12, 12:04 PM

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Originally Posted by BarelyBreathing

The first one measures four by two by four, but it's turned so that it's deeper than it is wide. You're also not seeing the foot of substrate on the bottom as is necessary to have those live plants.

The second one is a forty gallon. And again, those are very young snakes. They only lived in there until their quarantine period was up.

Show us the full picture of your large enclosures then please. Like full, as in from centre of room then take a pic.

Also, that's the most backward "quarantine" I've ever heard. If one had a bad poop how would you know? What if one gave it to the other? Then you'd have two unhealthy snakes.

Besides that fact, feeding is an issue AND THEY ARE SOLITARY ANIMALS. I think you need more research.

P.S. Where are your original sources? I bet it's from Melissa Kaplan. *rolls eyes*

Wildside · 10-11-12, 12:05 PM

BarelyBreathing · 10-11-12, 01:11 PM

First off, here is a link.
Respiratory Disease in Snakes)

Secondly, the snakes were both quarrantined separately for 90 days before I bought them to my home.

Third, emerald tree boas, while not able to form relationships with other animals, have been seen in the wild in the same tree, on the same branch, or otherwise near each other. They aren't in the same enclosure anymore. The only snakes I house together now are Amazon tree boas, but we won't get into that on this thread. The male is kept in this enclosure and the female is kept in the enclosure that has had the door removed from the front.

MoreliAddict · 10-11-12, 02:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Aaron_S

Show us the full picture of your large enclosures then please. Like full, as in from centre of room then take a pic.

Wont.

Ever.

Happen.

BarelyBreathing · 10-11-12, 03:54 PM

That tank is in my closet.

Gungirl · 10-11-12, 04:48 PM

The first one looks much smaller than you are stating. I am only saying that due to the size of the branches, bird house and snakes in comparison with the free room around them. Here is my adult GTP in a 3'x2'x3' viv...

You can see him at the lower perch here.. he is a 5ft snake almost 2" thick..

Now here is a full shot of the viv..

Wildside · 10-11-12, 06:09 PM

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Originally Posted by BarelyBreathing

That tank is in my closet.

I'm starting to wonder where you keep your basic living needs? (i.e. clothes, furniture, appliances) Do you have 100 sq. ft. in every room for cages etc.? Do you hire someone to dust? Just wondering...

BarelyBreathing · 10-11-12, 06:41 PM

Kat, I can re-measure them. I have three other tanks that are the same type and size that I bought as a group. I feel as though I JUST measured one of them on the phone with Kyle.

Wildside, I put this one in the closet because it's one of the coolest areas of the house, not because of space issues. I have over a 4,000 square foot house with a basement that isn't being used as a living space. And yes, I have maids, but that has little to do with enclosures.

Wildside · 10-11-12, 07:41 PM

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Originally Posted by BarelyBreathing

Kat, I can re-measure them. I have three other tanks that are the same type and size that I bought as a group. I feel as though I JUST measured one of them on the phone with Kyle.

Wildside, I put this one in the closet because it's one of the coolest areas of the house, not because of space issues. I have over a 4,000 square foot house with a basement that isn't being used as a living space. And yes, I have maids, but that has little to do with enclosures.

Not everyone is so fortunate but you should post pics of your enclosures. They've gotta be the stuff sweet dreams are made of...

BarelyBreathing · 10-11-12, 07:56 PM

A lot of them are on here, just search for them. I don't have the internet connection to be uploading a bunch of photos from home.

Wildside · 10-11-12, 07:58 PM

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A lot of them are on here, just search for them. I don't have the internet connection to be uploading a bunch of photos from home.

A 4,000 sq. ft. house and maids but an inadequate internet connection?

BarelyBreathing · 10-11-12, 08:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Wildside

A 4,000 sq. ft. house and maids but an inadequate internet connection?

I live in the middle of nowhere. The internet service providers don't come out this far. I'm tethering on a 2G connection.

Wildside · 10-11-12, 08:15 PM

I can't seem to find any real good pics of your stuff, maybe you could link the threads you're referring to?