Cassie eating a fuzzy. - Page 5

KORBIN5895 · 04-22-12, 09:14 AM

Okay all the controversy aside , I have a comment to Brady.

Dude you seriously need to make some decisions and stick to them. You also need to start taking the advice you are given and not just from people you idolize. Several people have given you advice on helping you sav get over his boredom and you ignore it. If you think putting her in a new enclosure is the answer be prepared to get a new enclosure every couple of months.

Secondly I couldn't care less what you feed your sav but don't come on here complaining about the lack of variety when you obviously haven't been trying to hard. If you want to feed rodents fine, just man up and say that. Instead you are making excuses about availability and cost of the alternative diet.
Please don't tell us that you can't get anymore dubia roaches when you were able to get a colony less than two months ago. You need to convert some of hour passion into action.

As for the whole lizards eating rodents thing, well I now have a dog in this fight. I really hope that this is true that lizards are capable of eating rodents. I have been turning quite a few bearded dragon, sav and plated lizard owners away and discouraging from feeding rodents.

Valvaren · 04-22-12, 09:47 AM

I agree completely with what Korbin said, I had to make a lot of these type of decision with my dragon, I got her and realized I bit off more then I could chew but I did everything I could with everything I could and sacrificed a lot of what I needed to make sure she got what she needed. The food you want is there you just need to look for it and I know a lot of people on here have been helping you and you need to stop settling for what is the easiest. From everything I've been reading on here the past few months has changed how I've viewed monitors as something I would be able to care for later in life when I have the experience to something I'm not sure if I would want to commit to because I feel I would always worry i'm not doing things right.

Also Korbin, from what i've been reading rats/mice for savs in moderation isn't wrong as they obvious can and do digest them well, but I stick by them being something bearded dragons shouldn't be fed other then for breeding females (thats all i'm going to say)

KORBIN5895 · 04-22-12, 09:58 AM

@valvaren
I lumped them together on purpose

infernalis · 04-22-12, 10:01 AM

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Originally Posted by mo9e64

Just remember when you are stressing about variety many keepers of monitors with longterm sucess have raised them on just crickets and mice(FACT)-and no mention of having to put them on antidepressants for boredom LOL

My question to you today Moe.

Exactly how could anyone expect a lizard that has an intelligence bordering primate levels to NOT become bored when locked inside a box of any dimensions?

Crocdoc (David Kirshner) has indicated that he has witnessed monitors roaming MILES, all of the major Varanus documentaries have proven that they explore miles, and the Lizard Kings documentary mentions that a single monitor lizard can claim some really massive amount of acreage as it's "territory"

So now we take this naturally inquisitive animal and confine it within four walls and then expect it to NOT grow bored???

Now let me ask you this, since you and I are actually primates, let's dumb it down to where we could only count to six..

I place you in a room 8 feet wide, four feet front to back and then only give you some dirt to dig in, a stick to play with and a bowl of water.

How long exactly would it take you to go nuts and just give up on looking for anything to do with your time???

I applaud Brady for even noticing, and applaud him even more for his desire to correct it.

Daniel himself told me he was very pleased with the fact that Chomper did not spend his life locked in his box all day every day.

Bradyloach · 04-22-12, 10:03 AM

Well cage is ready next week now. I'm going to build my own I think that's stupid

mo9e64 · 04-22-12, 10:04 AM

Why is finding the easiest way to do something a bad thing?Valveran it's not about what you can feed them but feeding them the best choice for their conditions.Feeding monitors rodents under the wrong conditions even moderately might not be a good thing.

bushsnake · 04-22-12, 10:22 AM

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Originally Posted by BarelyBreathing

I'm not going to reply to any more monitor threads. I've just been informed that "natural" is not good for the animal, so clearly I've been doing it wrong with my fourteen guys.

i have the same approach with my animals...14 monitors...probably from either africa or asia and your in colorado...you cant put a fence up around their native habitat and call them your pets so how close are you to giving them a natural life?

mo9e64 · 04-22-12, 10:22 AM

Wayne, I think excercise is good for a monitor.I think variety is a preference of the keeper.I don't know if monitors get bored,i imagine they do-but Brady is making assumptions.To help him,as a beginner all i can do is open him to the possibility as another beginner that it might be something other than boredom.

infernalis · 04-22-12, 10:22 AM

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Originally Posted by mo9e64

Why is finding the easiest way to do something a bad thing?.

Wow.

It's easier to not bother cleaning out the cage....

It's easier to wait for the water bowl to go dry before refilling it.

it's easier to just watch TV and not bother interacting with your animals.

I could fill a page, but I won't, because it's easier not to.

mo9e64 · 04-22-12, 10:27 AM

I guess i should have worded it differently,if you could do something easier with the same end result would you do it?

KORBIN5895 · 04-22-12, 10:36 AM

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Originally Posted by mo9e64

Why is finding the easiest way to do something a bad thing?Valveran it's not about what you can feed them but feeding them the best choice for their conditions.Feeding monitors rodents under the wrong conditions even moderately might not be a good thing.

Because people get complacent way too easily.

Look at Brady. He busted his butt off to get Cassie the "best" of everything. The diet part has become difficult so he opts out for easy. One fuzzy a week. He gets some justification for this decision and goes from one fuzzy a week to three in two or three days. No big deal right?

Well what about the fact that his sav is currently doing nothing? Oh yeah! Now we have the potential for a serious problem.

It is always easy to take the easy route and get stuck there. I can be extremely difficult to get out of that rut.

Bradyloach · 04-22-12, 10:41 AM

Actually since I fed Cass the fuzzys and put night crawlers into her cage she has been all over it

mo9e64 · 04-22-12, 11:00 AM

To me it doesn't matter if people do things the hard way,if you enjoy it who i am to criticize.
Feeding your monitor no matter what ,is a choice,if you want to feed it ten different things as opposed to one or two that give the same result,that's more what i am talking about.

Lankyrob · 04-22-12, 01:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Bradyloach

Well cage is ready next week now. I'm going to build my own I think that's stupid

Cancel the order and get your money back - they are playing you by the sounds of it.

Skits · 04-22-12, 05:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Lankyrob

This was the reason for myinitial response, everything i had "learnt" from this forum was that rodents were bad bad bad.

This is exactly why it had confused me. I always believed that they were wrong to feed to savs. I would of been feeding Spence a rat here and there if it wasn't for this forum. I could certainly add a mouse here and there in his diet though. He did really enjoy the one I had given him a while ago.