Cornsnake RI - Page 5

SpOoKy · 03-25-12, 10:52 PM

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I spot clean change water feed regularly I wear gloves and use disinfectant when cleaning (with the snake not being in the vicinity).

Like I asked already...what is being used to disinfect???

infernalis · 03-26-12, 11:08 AM

OK, I am looking at this whole thing from both sides of the fence... as a Mod I have to.

Virus's are nothing more than DNA strands with a protein skin, they are impervious to antibiotics and as we have learned from Aids research, very resilient little monsters.

So if Smodges is looking at a viral condition, as only a culture can reveal, all the medicine in the world is not going to "cure" the situation.

Over cleaning is just as deadly as anything else, a healthy snake that is in it's correct environment can overcome some unreal situations just fine, many people underestimate the immunity / healing systems in place with reptiles. I have seen with my own eyes wild snakes that have been run over with lawn mowers heal and survive on their own.

One such snake was missing half of it's face, the animal healed and carried on with it's life, all the while doing this on dirt, under rocks and living among insects.. So getting real here, hitting your enclosures with bleach, disinfectants and chemicals constantly is more likely to disrupt the reptiles natural rhythm of survival as much as an infection will.

I'm all for politeness, but sugar coating facts distorts them.

Corn snakes for instance do not need a humidifier, this will promote mold growth and mold spores in the lungs IS a form of RI.

Hell, any properly supported reptile will not need a humidifier, My BP for instance or my Savannah Monitors (both require elevated humidity) do not have any humidifiers or vaporizers in use, because they are properly supported.

Shmodges, if you read this, could you kindly (Please) post pictures of your setups, give temperature and humidity reading from each enclosure, and maybe with this information we can come to an accurate conclusion as to what is going on in your collection.

mykee · 03-26-12, 01:57 PM

To the OP, I hope you sort out your collection and it eventually just boils down to you having terribly husbandry; that can be corrected.

This thread has gotten out of hand and I no longer wish to participate.
Have at it.

Shmoges · 03-27-12, 10:25 PM

Been gone for awhile, Haven't read any comments but thought everyone deserved an update. Turns out it was stuck shed on her nose. I must have missed her opaque phase of shedding when I usually put a moist hide in for most snakes so they have an easier shed. After posting the RI thread she had a terrible broken up shed and I soaked her to get the rest off. Its been about a day and she isn't sneezing anymore.

PS. she never had mucus or bubbles

exwizard · 03-28-12, 01:36 AM

Welcome back bud.

kernel · 03-28-12, 11:36 PM

Yea, welcome back. I'm glad it turned out to just be a shed.

Shmoges · 03-29-12, 06:36 PM

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Originally Posted by SpOoKy

Like I asked already...what is being used to disinfect???

Hexachorodine (sp) in a spray bottle diluted in water that is specifically used on water dishes that are dirty and then rinsed. I will also use it to totally clean an enclosure in the bath tub and also rinse it.

Its never sprayed in an enclosure with bedding or a snake!!!!

Shmoges · 03-29-12, 07:08 PM

Here is a crappy idea of my snake rooms, scale is terrible and depth is a problem (sue me

) 7 8 9 are on the floor under 5 4 3.

the dry rack is under the sink in teh bathroom and has ambient colorado humidity 10-15% and houses the rosies and the hognoses. The rosies get water for a couple days once a week the hognoses get water in a dish 24-7 all use aspen bedding.

The other room to the right of the dry rack has a door to it and is open slightly but the humidity is much higher 40% ambient on and off, I fill the humidifier a couple times a week.

Shmoges · 03-29-12, 07:12 PM

lol I just realized I don't have a number 6 oh well I suck

tanks 1 2 3 normally house corns but one has a lucy rat in it atm. 4 5 have the gophers. 7 is the rack under 4 that has two corn babies and two king babies, 8 has the rainbow boa, and 9 has the female lucy rat.

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notice the moist hides in 1 and 2 I use those for snakes in shed or opaque only except for the longicuada and the rainbow who get them 24-7. 1 has a heat emitter above it but it is not in use fyi all tanks except the female lucy and the longicuada use UTH's.

Shmoges · 03-29-12, 07:13 PM

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longicuada

SpOoKy · 03-29-12, 07:20 PM

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Hexachorodine (sp) in a spray bottle diluted in water that is specifically used on water dishes that are dirty and then rinsed. I will also use it to totally clean an enclosure in the bath tub and also rinse it.

I would just switch to white vinegar and water. Personally I don't trust any type of chemical no matter how well diluted. White vinegar is a safe all natural cleaner.

Shmoges · 03-29-12, 07:27 PM

Its rinsed, its no danger.

SimplySerepents · 04-05-12, 08:14 PM

I'm jumping in at the end here, but I have had several rescue snakes that had RIs. Corns can and will get RIs if they are kept in damp and dirty conditions.

You can use any cleaner as long as you rinse and air it out completely, and hexechorodine is a safe veterinary disinfectant. I use vinegar on anything that won't be rinsed- but on things such as water dishes and anything with fecal matter or blood, I use ammonia then rinse well, then air out overnight.
Ammonia is the only thing that has a chance at killing crypto.

I have not seen a lot of success with meds for RIs- usually the meds hurt the digestive systems of the snake so severely (killing the gut flora off) that the snake takes longer to heal.
If you just remedy the husbandry situation, give probiotics (a little on their food) and soak them in a dilution of betadine or novalsan and water a couple times a week, they clear up on their own without any extenuating circumstances (i.e. parasites) The one animal I medicated ended up dying... All the other rescues are thriving.
So, don't just give your snakes meds unless there is no other option (an advanced RI or something else that a vet tells you won't clear up without meds).

I've read the account linked above about the collection all dying. Crypto is similar in corns... It is incurable and can be devastating. This is why Quarentine is so important.