Calling all snake breeders... - Page 5

Rainbowsrus · 01-18-12, 09:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by millertime89

I can't answer, but god I hope someone finds and proves a dorsal pattern morph, I would be first in line to buy that one. I love snakes with full dorsal stripes.

Well, not proven yet but Zoe:

And her Sibling Ziggy:

After a few years of growing up and bred together produced these:

Zadie:

Zachary:

Zsa Zsa:

They also produced in the same litter......

Zoltan:

Zena:

Zeus:

Strutter769 · 01-18-12, 09:47 AM

So then what's not "proven"? That looks pretty obvious, if you breed two dorsal stripes, you get dorsal stripes, right? I'm not understanding, and somewhat questioning my decision to go with high orange over a dorsal stripe male. I really want to produce a dorsally striped Pearl! So now im really confused.

Strutter769 · 01-18-12, 09:49 AM

Dave - Do any of your customers stay married long? How do people STOP buying your animals?! Each seems to be more impressive than the last!

Rainbowsrus · 01-18-12, 10:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Strutter769

So then what's not "proven"? That looks pretty obvious, if you breed two dorsal stripes, you get dorsal stripes, right? I'm not understanding, and somewhat questioning my decision to go with high orange over a dorsal stripe male. I really want to produce a dorsally striped Pearl! So now im really confused.

What's not proven is the exact mode of inheritance. Is it recessive, is it co-dominant, is it polygenic or line bred? The key point being what do you have to do to make more. At this time I believe it's co-dominant, will need to raise up babies and do some breeding trials to work it out. First step will be this year, breeding the two original parents again to produce a second litter with similar outcomes.

Strutter769 · 01-18-12, 10:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rainbowsrus

What's not proven is the exact mode of inheritance. Is it recessive, is it co-dominant, is it polygenic or line bred? The key point being what do you have to do to make more. At this time I believe it's co-dominant, will need to raise up babies and do some breeding trials to work it out. First step will be this year, breeding the two original parents again to produce a second litter with similar outcomes.

Will any of that litter be available for sale?

Rainbowsrus · 01-18-12, 10:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Strutter769

Will any of that litter be available for sale?

Plan for now is none for sale from either litter except may sell some non-visual males (have too many)

Strutter769 · 01-18-12, 10:36 AM

So, since the exact mode of inheritance is not yet known, it is possible that a non-visual male could in fact possess the trait and pass it along to offspring, is that a correct understanding? And if it's a recessive trait, would need to be bred to a female that also shares the recessive trait, regardless of whether the female has the dominant gene, if I'm not mistaken? (See? I've been doing some homework!)

KORBIN5895 · 01-18-12, 11:15 AM

Is Zues. A motley rainbow!?!?

Rainbowsrus · 01-18-12, 12:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Strutter769

So, since the exact mode of inheritance is not yet known, it is possible that a non-visual male could in fact possess the trait and pass it along to offspring, is that a correct understanding? And if it's a recessive trait, would need to be bred to a female that also shares the recessive trait, regardless of whether the female has the dominant gene, if I'm not mistaken? (See? I've been doing some homework!)

Correct, Since the true mode of inheritance has not yet been proven, each and every baby in the litter, visual or not could carry the gene. The non-visual males I'm planning on eventually selling could be carriers of the trait.

mixing your modes in this statement....

And if it's a recessive trait, would need to be bred to a female that also shares the recessive trait, regardless of whether the female has the dominant gene

You started with recessive and then mentioned the female and dominant gene.

"And if it's a recessive trait, would need to be bred to a female that also shares the recessive trait" Is correct.

Rainbowsrus · 01-18-12, 12:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KORBIN5895

Is Zues. A motley rainbow!?!?

I've named the trait "Candy Stripe" I believe it to be co-dominant with Zues, Zena and Zoltan being the "Super Candy Stripe" expression or Homozygous Candy Stripes.

youngster · 01-18-12, 12:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KORBIN5895

Is Zues. A motley rainbow!?!?

That would be wicked cool!
I like motleys
The only problem is he thinks it's codom and motley is recessive

Rainbowsrus · 01-18-12, 12:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by youngster

That would be wicked cool!
I like motleys
The only problem is he thinks it's codom and motley is recessive

The problem with any trait is when crossing to another species the similar trait may not follow the same mode of inheritance.

For example, Hypo in BRB is recessive while in BCI it's dominant.

Motley in BCI is co-dominant

youngster · 01-18-12, 12:23 PM

Ah, I knew that.....

It's all a matter of naming.
It would be nice if all the morph names were scientific, that way it wouldn't be so confusing!
But then again the names would get really long as you get into the triple and quad gene animals

beardeds4life · 01-18-12, 07:20 PM

Personally based off pics it looks like a line bred trait to me...

Strutter769 · 01-19-12, 12:10 AM

Not sure how much you can tell the mods of inheritance visually, but again, I do have a lot of studying to do!