2 New guys on there way!! - Page 5

Gungirl · 10-22-11, 08:13 AM

We bought from a really well known guy so I trust the line we where told we had. I just haven't looked into the morphs that much. I don't intend on breeding I just want good looking snakes. Where did you buy your Boa's from? If it was a pet store, good luck on finding out what you really have unless you breed it to see what it makes. If you got it from a good breeder they should be able to tell you what it is.

KORBIN5895 · 10-22-11, 08:41 AM

Pet store is where he is from. But like I said I bought him as a common. One of the workers said that his buddy bought one too because they were pastel redtails. I just found that little tis bit out last week. I do alot of business with them (buying and selling ) so I know he isn't feeding me a line. Braid a I had the snake 6 months before he told me this. So I am sure it is not a sales pitch.

**millertime89** · 10-22-11, 04:08 PM

there's so many different boas out there, I can't even begin to tell them apart, so don't worry, you're not alone.

KORBIN5895 · 10-22-11, 05:51 PM

Well i showed my snakes to a breeder about an hour away. I sent them pics and they just happened to be in town and asked to stop by and see it. So my common boa ( paid like forty forging at the pet store) is believed to be a salmon minus the orange markings. Or pastel. The second is a redtail boa. But my het for albino is a motley. Does this make sense to any of you?

**millertime89** · 10-22-11, 06:12 PM

yes
here's a motley het albino

(explicit reptiles)
and a pastel salmon boa

(the reptile channel)
not entirely sure what pastel means (still looking into morphs), I'm not sure if its lighter coloration or reduced markings or what. And motley is a way to describe the pattern, het albino means it has the albino gene, but is not albino. You can breed it with another het albino and get both albinos and normals and het albinos, or with an albino and get albinos and het albinos. Although I'm not sure if het albino boas have a show that you can see (a way to tell its het albino)

**lady_bug87** · 10-22-11, 06:22 PM

love love the motley

KrazyKat · 10-22-11, 08:35 PM

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not entirely sure what pastel means (still looking into morphs), I'm not sure if its lighter coloration or reduced markings or what. And motley is a way to describe the pattern, het albino means it has the albino gene, but is not albino. You can breed it with another het albino and get both albinos and normals and het albinos, or with an albino and get albinos and het albinos. Although I'm not sure if het albino boas have a show that you can see (a way to tell its het albino)

As for a visual het albino in a motley - a good breeder told me there is one. He said that most motleys het albino's "upper half" of their eyes are very white. I cannot vouch for that statement, however, as I have not personally seen this proven out.

True pastels are polygenetic, selective breeding. They are bred for cleanness and colour. Most are light, washed-out, and nearly fleckless, but some bloodlines have the most impressive red and pink coloration you will find, Pastel x Pastel producing the best results. Many "Pastel" boas you see are normals that have been called Pastel at some point by a breeder or shop simply because it's clean, or anyhting other than the standard looking BCI grey colour, when they have no idea of the genetics behind the snakes. They simply equate clean boa to mean "Pastel".

You can often pay good money for a true pastel. The Kubsch line from Germany is a good example: (photo from Freek Nuyt)

Like all the other Pastel lines, it acts like a dominant trait in that when bred to unrelated animals, it will produce some Pastel-like offspring. Some of the most orange & red Pastels have been created by the Kubsh line, and a "bi product" of certain breedings with these boas in Germany is another trait called “Square Tailed Boa”. There are many other Pastel lines (ie. Ronne, East Bay Vivarium, and Washington), others have been bred for more red, more pink (like the pic you attached), more cream colour, etc. Pastel is a very good gene to work with, as it will "clean up" whatever morph you are crossing it with - and the better the pastel, the better chance you will have some outstanding clean resulting morphs

KrazyKat · 10-22-11, 10:02 PM

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Pastel is a very good gene to work with, as it will "clean up" whatever morph you are crossing it with - and the better the pastel, the better chance you will have some outstanding clean resulting morphs

I would like to add: Just take for example the Pastel Salmon picture posted by millertime89 - salmons typically have a fair bit of speckling - do you see that in this morph? Nope

It would be a nice trait to have influence bloody salmons too, come to think of it....

By the way Kat - awesome pics! I love both of your new additions

Keep the pics coming once they are settled in

KORBIN5895 · 10-22-11, 10:03 PM

Well I am sure he is a motley after that pic! Awesome pic btw. Ad for the pastel
.... well........... I am not sure what you mean by clean. He has a darker brown saddle and is very pale gray. Almost white after a shed but darkens up right before a shed. He also seems to darken up when agitated. But that is probably just in my head.

KrazyKat · 10-22-11, 11:10 PM

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Well I am sure he is a motley after that pic! Awesome pic btw. Ad for the pastel
.... well........... I am not sure what you mean by clean. He has a darker brown saddle and is very pale gray. Almost white after a shed but darkens up right before a shed. He also seems to darken up when agitated. But that is probably just in my head.

Synonyms for clean include: clear, neat, tidy and spotless. Generally a snake with clear, consistent patterning (ie. defined, even saddles) with a background that is relatively "tidy" with consistent colour and little speckling/peppering is considered "clean". That's how I would define it at least.

**millertime89** · 10-23-11, 12:10 AM

Thanks for explaining that Kat, I'll have to read it a few more times so I can know what to start looking for.
Korbin, start a new thread with your boas so some of the more knowledgeable people can give their opinions.

**lady_bug87** · 10-23-11, 06:47 AM

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Synonyms for clean include: clear, neat, tidy and spotless. Generally a snake with clear, consistent patterning (ie. defined, even saddles) with a background that is relatively "tidy" with consistent colour and little speckling/peppering is considered "clean". That's how I would define it at least.

Would that count as clean?

Gungirl · 10-23-11, 06:55 AM

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By the way Kat - awesome pics! I love both of your new additions

Keep the pics coming once they are settled in

Thanks Kat.. I almost missed your comment among the other boa chatter...lol

**lady_bug87** · 10-23-11, 06:59 AM

yea the thread kinda went... somewhere hehe

Gungirl · 10-23-11, 07:01 AM

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yea the thread kinda went... somewhere hehe

Hahahe But I don't mind It's all boa talk and thats fine. I think I might just make a new thread for each my boa's for pics and what not. I like reading this stuff as well so its all good