Whats up? - Page 5

Linds · 10-18-04, 10:01 PM

I think a lot of people are missing the point here. It isn't like "oh, you posted in the wrong spot, therefore you are banned forever with an 'x' branded on your forehead", it is rather that there is a blatant disregard for the rules and function of the site. We don't ban for one or two small offenses, but if you choose to ignore our heads up and guidance, that is just a slap to our faces, and you only have yourself to blame. The rules are there because the past events have led us to implement such. Whether they are minor or major, rules are rules, and we give enough chances. If people choose to ignore all of the guidance and warnings we offer leading up to that point, then that is their decision, and there should be no surprise when another ban occurs. We don't *have* to offer advice on how to find the rules if you weren't aware of them, or where to find guidelines, but we do - in essence we are trying to help everyone follow the rules and stay a part of the community, in the event they do make a mistake, contrary to everyone thinking we are a bunch of trigger-happy mods that just look for people to ban...

The reason for the correct forums?
1) Reduce clutter: The GD is a very active forum, and as such, threads can often be pushed off the first page in a day, so we need to minimize the amount of threads allowed, hence if there is a better suited forum, threads should be directed there.
2) Organization: For people who like to research previous posts, they go to the forum that would have those type of animals and look, it isn't efficient to be having to search through half the forums on the site because the type of posts you are looking for are scattered about.
3) Specificity: Some people only visit certain forums, the animals they are most interested or experienced with. As a result, you are likely to get the best answers going to the forums that relate directly to your question.

Linds · 10-18-04, 10:13 PM

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Originally posted by SaIiLdVaEnR
Is there a time interval between these strikes?

Also, as Matt said, we have not yet encountered such a situation, since this 'new tolerance' has been implemented. We do however, keep records of all violations, complete with dates, even after the person has been banned, for reference purposes. We have only recently implemented this new tolerance within the past few months, so we haven't encountered long-term issues. We realize that everything was a bit disorganized, grey, and a little lax... however when we straightened everything up, we plastered the rules in *every* forum, and made announcements to let everyone know that these changes were indeed taking place, so there wouldn't be any surprises. We made everything as widespread and known as to our abilities.

daver676 · 10-18-04, 10:28 PM

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Originally posted by Matt_K
If you continue to make new names, we'll just ban your IP..

I don't mean to jump in the middle of this. You mods gotta do what you gotta do.......

As for the banning of an IP, wouldn't the user need a static IP with his ISP to even do this? Since 95% of internet users connect using dynamic IPs, how is banning a single IP to keep one person out even possible? PM me if necessary.

Corey Woods · 10-19-04, 05:59 AM

Daver676 - They can't ban dynamic IP's. If you are using a service such as AOL (which gives you a differnt IP address each time you sign on) you can theoretically sign up with a new name everytime you sigh on and they can't do anything about it. If you were on a fixed IP address (such as Rogers) you'd be screwed.

Corey

Derrick · 10-19-04, 07:50 AM

hehe Corey. But they can ranges...Ido it all the time. Mind you on a board like one might be worried about the people that cant get in rather than the ones that can

But then you have to deal with proxies so you pretty much are really SOL for any really effective banning if the person is determined to come back.

Linds · 10-19-04, 08:58 AM

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Originally posted by Derrick

But then you have to deal with proxies so you pretty much are really SOL for any really effective banning if the person is determined to come back.

If worst came to worst, their provider can be contacted and their service would be dropped. Harassment is against the TOS of all providers...

As Matt said, coming back and making a bunch of new names solves nothing. It certainly does nothing to help anyone's case either, in the event they are serious about coming back as a productive member of this community. It only does more damage...

Derrick · 10-19-04, 09:16 AM

Ya I wasnt really looking at it from the harassment perspective. I was kinda more thinking that if someone were to "sneak" back they would keep thier head down and thier mouth shut and just try to become a regular member.

V.hb · 10-19-04, 10:38 AM

I highly doubt someones ISP would drop them because they post on a message board and irritate people........ Harrassment is usually classified as real harrassment (like threatening messages, or hacking etc) Not posting on a board.. No offence but thats your problem, not the ISP... Now if one came here spamming threats and racial slurs, something may be done, but I still wouldn't count on it.

Tim_Cranwill · 10-19-04, 11:06 AM

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Originally posted by V.hb
I highly doubt someones ISP would drop them because they post on a message board and irritate people........ Harrassment is usually classified as real harrassment (like threatening messages, or hacking etc) Not posting on a board.. No offence but thats your problem, not the ISP... Now if one came here spamming threats and racial slurs, something may be done, but I still wouldn't count on it.

Who knows? Maybe the ISP would blow it WAY out of proportion too...

V.hb · 10-19-04, 12:00 PM

ha, remember people PAY for isps :P I do see your sarcasm though..

remember, money has more value than principle or ethics!

ydnic · 10-19-04, 12:06 PM

I work for a service provider who has the basic monopoly on many services out here and I can tell you right now your service would not be dropped for this. In fact we would be very upset to even be bothered with this. Its your forum you deal withit!

Brock · 10-19-04, 12:10 PM

Nothing that hasn't been said already, I agreed namely with Tim Cranwell, Chong, and Soda. But I just want to say I remember seeing posts by SCReptiles, as he stated he's been banned many a time, and having a good rich respect for the guy's open mind and capabilities of debate, but how he's just hushed up so often that I haven't seen ANY of his posts for months and months, in fact I forgot all about him until reading this thread. Having learned about communism and fascism in school last year, I can see some parallels right here on the forum.

It's too bad, but I mean most people who are in a situation of power generally get carried away, and it's the people in little places, like forum mods, who are the most unreasonable at times. I know I've had a few threads moved and posts deleted, I guess I'm at two strikes now, but no one told me I had any strikes. I've had PMs saying my post was deleted and stuff, but no posts saying I had a warning, and if meaningless things like Kevin McRae being permanently banned for posting in the wrong forum is an offence, then I'm sure that I have two strikes at least.

I don't know if it's just me, and not to personally attack or name names, but can anyone else see the air of cockyness and dominance in the mods posts? Or is that just me...

Kevin McRae is a familiar name on the site too, I saw a lot of his posts and he's a really great guy so it seems. Kind of dumb in my opinion what is going on here.

Bad play.

-Brock

Matt_K · 10-19-04, 01:19 PM

Brock, I don't think it's a cocky attitude.. I think it's just getting tired of being so repetative.. Honestly, if you guys were to see just how many posts we move everyday, you'd shake your head.. I personally move on average, 15 posts everyday.. Whether it be someone posting a wanted ad in the Boa forum, a cornsnake question in the General Discussion or a Ball Python Question in the Classifieds (yes, it happens). If it takes for us to start warning people and unltimatly banning them for not following the rules of the site to get them to listen, them maybe it's not so bad..

I will however admit that banning someone for posting in the wrong forum 3 times might be a little over the edge. At least when it comes to productive members who are active on the site in a good way.. Perhaps it's time that the MOD's do take a look at the rules and maybe try and tweak them a bit.

-Matt

chong_python · 10-19-04, 02:27 PM

Yes, matt but you have to see it in another way out side of that
your are one mod, but these are people 15 out of the amount of posters we have her is not bad. Keeping in mind that people do make mistakes, and once you get involved in this community you get acustomed to the rules. But first time posters arent going to be aware ( or care for that matter ) where they are going to post. You devolop respect for this site. I would guess and say well over 70 % of the posts you move daily is from new mebembers that have nothing on thier mind besides selling something or have a quick question, and then leave and dont come back.
And with such a big place this is and the huge amount of members and new members joining i dont think you will ever fully solve this problem. Moving posts and other tasks as such is a part of the criteria of your job, And if your getting as tired as you claim mabey its time for a break?

Just my 2 cents

proud2bcanadian · 10-19-04, 02:36 PM

We're doing stuff like this is Civics right now

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Civil Disobedience, standing up for what laws/rules you think are unjust!

No one is perfect, so no one will ever not make a mistake or do something wrong.

I have to agree with Corey Woods; I see 'both sides of the coin'. We're privaledged to have such an amazing website, but to stay on it you have to be *good*, however there are some rule(s) that some people may find unfair, so they take their action to try and get the rule(s) changed.

One thing to think about - Majority Rules vs. Minority Rights

LOL, I never knew that I would actually remember anything from Civics

EDIT - I know this isn't political, but just use your 'imagination', lol...