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Old 08-13-04, 08:23 PM   #61
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Old 08-13-04, 08:30 PM   #62
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Well.... on my screen, a few of those pics worked. Most of them didn't though.

There is indeed a pic of a bci in there (one of the ones that doesn't seem to be working)... whether he's actually the father of the babies, I highly doubt. I don't see anything boa-like in any of those babies...

Regardless of what happened, or didn't happen though -- I must STRONGLY agree with what Invictus said... snakes are solitary creatures, and should NOT be kept together. ESPECIALLY two completely different species. If your boyfriend knew anything about keeping snakes in proper conditions, he would know that. Please do what's right for your snakes, and provide them with their own enclosures.

I wish you luck with what babies manage to survive.


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Thank you for the input, we understand that they shoudln't be together, and I think that may what crocdoc had said could have happened... we will check into it and they will be separate at all times from now on (they weren't together day in day out and they were not fed in the same cage if that helps make you feel better a little). Thank you for the advice on keeping them separate and posting the pictures. There are about 13 that are alive and kicking so we should be okay... considering the circumstances.
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Old 08-13-04, 08:35 PM   #64
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It looks like they're being housed in an aquarium??? And the glass looks to have about 38784979379834 fingerprints and god knows what else on there.. Might wanna clean that once in a while.
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The prints are on the outside, we are in the process of moving...
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Old 08-13-04, 08:36 PM   #66
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They actually are usually in a LARGE enclosure that isn't in the pictures.
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Old 08-13-04, 08:43 PM   #67
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I gotta ask...

Is that "pile" the burm is resting it's head on the clutch of eggs?

Yeesh, what a nightmare...
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Old 08-13-04, 08:59 PM   #68
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Yes, it was covered in peat (pete?) moss, by the time we realized it had laid eggs, it had crushed the top layer... and yes, we are not breeders, we tried our best...
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Croc Doc, Katt was telling me about parthenogenic snakes today -and all the ones she knows of are live bearing. I had no idea this was proven already with any reptile. She's got her fancy book learnin!

Anyways, it would be interesting to find out if the female albino burm in this case reproduced on her own. I'm sure a university would pay the money to do the DNA study. Pythons reproducing on their own is unyet proven as far as I know, and it sounds like this may be a case for study.

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Old 08-13-04, 09:27 PM   #70
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I will call the universities in my area (tomorrow and see if anyone is in) and Monday if I don't get anyone, it would be nice if they paid for the DNA tests, I am guessing that ain't cheap . Wasn't sure how to afford that one
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Old 08-13-04, 09:30 PM   #71
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I am done for the night, I have been on the computer 7 hours about now, if you like I will keep you updated on any tests we get done! Thanks to everyone!
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With the huge amount of info you can find in the world at the touch of button, that's your best? If you are going to keep an animal try to give it the respect of knowing how to best care for it. I hope that you can at least learn something from what alot of people have said in this thread. Maybe you should invest in a book on burms?
Good luck with the babies...
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Old 08-13-04, 09:52 PM   #73
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well you must have excepted this type of response as this is a very froned apond thing. you should never have allowed this to happen wheather you are or are not a breeder. I have snakes and know that you do not put 2 different snakes together,never mind male and female.you must have been trying to do this so you could make a new breed,please only someone that is brain dead or someone trying to do this would house them together,wheather or not they can breed. Man this is horrible what you guys have done to these snakes and the babies. why would you even incubate the eggs knowing that they were 2 different snakes(if that is even the truth). Your boyfriend is not very smart is he. My thing is i have always said that someone stupid would try this to make themselfs famous and looky looky what happend. Again if this is even true which i am banking on NOT TRUE. Remember you 2 have done a horrible thing to those babies.
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hey goopers i would be interested in what you find out please email me also if you could. amandamv62@hotmail.com
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Old 08-13-04, 10:22 PM   #75
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Liz lady & Katie & Ryan, You can all think we are horrible, if we were trying to be famous, I wouldn't be talking to you would I? We read books and let the snake incubate the eggs the way the books said too, I am sorry if you would rather take the eggs away, I don't know what to tell you, I never pretended it wasn't in this entire thing was the perfect example of anything, I have apologized and there is not much more I can do. would you think something would actually live? and the babies we have are fine (except for one, which could happen to anyone). I realize we made a mistake, I am sorry you never have. The reason I came here was for help becuase I didn't know what to do, I never pretended anything different.

Quick question for you though, do you think if we were trying to be famous, we would have let nature takes its' course and let her incubate them herself, or do you think we would have incubated them, we were trying to look after the snake. As I said, we never thought anything would hatch, otherwise I would have started asking about this several weeks ago. Good thought about us doing this on purpose, but it's wrong, if that was the case, I would have been asking how much they were worth, not how to care for them. I hope no one around you ever make mistakes in their life and then tries to fix it, cause man they have another thing coming.

People have offered privately from this whole string to help me and I will work with them to make sure the babies get the best care they deserve.

I will email you stha4
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