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Old 06-10-04, 12:07 AM   #61
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Wow, it seems that most people who are offering advice are offering bad advice. As Trevor said KISS (Keep it Simple, Stupid). It's not rocket science. I'm not going to offer any advice to you Knads, as you've heard it all, but I will offer advice to all the 'experts' who are crapping all over your legitimate questions: being an a$$ instead of helping is doing no good other than making you look stupid. We were all there at one point, and we all needed help. Some of us were a little more knowledgeable and some of us ran into problems. What we didn't need to hear when asking a legitimate question, was "get rid of your ball, and go get a corn", or "you should stick to a dog or cat". NOBODY started in this hobby knowing it all. We're here to help, and pass on information, that's how we all become more experienced and knowledgeable herpers. 'Nuff said.
i totally agree. this guy came to us for advice on a bp thats not eating. and theres people reaming him out for not knowing these things. somepeople do know more than others and those are the people who should be helping this guy. not telling him to give it up. would you give up something youve wanted so long? its more than just a pet. i think everyone here can agree that a snake youve always wanted can have a strong bond with you.
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Old 06-10-04, 02:42 AM   #62
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Old 06-10-04, 03:42 PM   #63
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Well ive moved him into the small rubbermaid a few days ago and ive just let him be for the last three weeks or so. Im going to offer him a hopper mouse or fuzzy rat whichever one is available, tonight or tomorrow. Id like to thank everyone for the advice they have given. A lot of it as been helpful but hopefully everyone can now see how confusing chat boards can be because everyones situations have been different and what works for one person doesnt always work for the next.....Ive read and listened to everyones remarks, i just hope something positive comes to my snake from all this
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Old 06-10-04, 05:38 PM   #64
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ONe other thing i forgot to mention is that when i moved him into the new rubbermaid container i noticed that underneath his water dish hide there seemed to be some WHITE poo. I noticed it once before and didnt know what it was so i cleaned it out and sure enough i noticed another one when i moved him into the new setup. Does anyone know what it is???
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Old 06-10-04, 05:40 PM   #65
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That is not poo it is urine, snakes have solid urates and they look like white poo lumps.
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Old 06-10-04, 07:21 PM   #66
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Hey atleast he's peeing, i guess thats all i can say about my snake right now. He's learned how to piss, now lets just hope he picks up on the whole eating thing as well...............
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Well ive moved him into the small rubbermaid a few days ago and ive just let him be for the last three weeks or so.
Now I'm confused, you JUST moved him into the rubbermaid a few days ago and you have let him be (alone basicly) for the past 3 wks?
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Old 06-10-04, 09:35 PM   #68
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Besides moving him into the rubbermaid on monday ive left him alone for a good three or four weeks. I havent been inside his cage except to change his water.........
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Old 06-11-04, 04:35 PM   #69
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Knads, PLEASE go out and buy a few books on the captive husbandry of ball pythons and read them until they're committed to memory. Buying first, learning later happens often, unfortunately, but please take this as an early sign to do your research. Good luck.
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Hey Knads,
First, I'd like to say welcome to P. regius! Second, despite all the negativity, I'd say you are doin a decent job about worrying bout the animal and looking out for its best interests. Most people I've encountered buy an animal and neglect it from proper temps/ humidity ect. Even though the temps may fluctuate, providing the EXACT temps of their native land, is hard to do. However thermostats work wonders for that problem.

Now on to your feeding delima...

Corey brings up a good point for starters.
Second, despite what was claimed in "to tried eveything" well I own a pair at home and one in particular is the fussiest feeder I've ever seen! At a juvi stage he went 4 mos without food, lol. How I got him to eat most would frown on but it worked. A prekilled mouse and snake in 10 gal tank. 1 hide and a blanket over the enitire cage, little air flow, thats where most would frown on. He broke his fast and ate.

Other meathods that are proven to work are placing the snake in a brown paper bag and the animal with it in a room where there is no "foot traffic". Another, is the fine art of scenting where I'm surprised noone has suggested. Try a prekilled/froz rodent. I say rodent as I cannot see the pics and was denied of how thick(girth) and long the animal is. Place the rodent in WARM chicken broth. This generally works with froz food but I suppose can be done with prekilled. Make sure the rodent is completly thawed and theres no "cold" spots on the animal. It helps to cover the bowl with a lid to hold in heat. Sometimes an added boost in heat stimulates a stronger response. By this ladder, I mean, after thawing/soakin the rodent placing it under your heat source, assuming if your usin a dome lamp, for bout 10 or so seconds, USING your best judgment, take it out under from the lamp and feel it with your hands. If the head is "hot", since they should feed head first, use a pair of hemostats and wave it in front of the BP's nose, stimulating a live rodent. I'd sugest feedin at dusk/late at night(7-10 pending on daylight savings time)

Another method of scenting thats worked for me is litterally taking, heh, or rather killing/prekilling a rodent and scenting it to another rodent. Exp Prekill mouse, prekill rat. Scent rat by rubbing mouse onto rat. Mouse urine usually is a good way to go. Or as gross as it may seem, taking rat and rubbin its nose in the anal of the mouse. Mix and try various sizes and species. When in doubt a small weanling hamster sometimes gets a response if you absolutly need to get it to eat before force-feeding. Just be careful since BP's are "prey-imprinters" if it excepts the hampster it may only want them for now on. BTW, prey imprinting means, a animal only wants what it was feeding for exp in the wild or what it was orginally eating before it came to you.

There are also "appetite stymulators" to stimulate their appatite to coax them to eat. I'm personally not a fan of this since its no better than force feeding. But if your truely worried, its worth a shot.

On a side not just to give you an idea how fussy these animals truely are besides adults fasting 4-8 mos or more, my female, ONLY eats at night and will only eat white rats. And I just barely gotton her used to taking them. That was 3 months of patients on my part.

And remember force feeding is only done as a last resort. As long as the animal is drinking and is hydrated it should be fine. A trick you can do to check if there hydrated is gently pinch their skin, if it "goes in" right away the animal is hydrated. If you see flaps, or saggin skin, it might be a little dehydrated. A dehydrated animal will not eat contray to what some will think.

As long as the animal has decent girth and is drinking, the feedin part will follow with time. Just be patient and try not to induce alot of stress by handling ect.

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Old 08-30-04, 12:21 PM   #71
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knads, you now have a plethora of advice to go with, im glad to see that you are very much concerned about your BP and your NOT going to give up on him. PLEASE buy books and read up on BP's back to front and through again. i personally have no advice to give that has not already been said. all i can do is wish you and most importantly your snake the best of luck, and hopefully he will eat. please keep us informed/updated on his progress. Again good luck.

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Old 08-30-04, 12:58 PM   #72
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double post, my bad...
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Old 09-01-04, 05:30 AM   #73
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Hi, I'm new here and I believe this is my first post.

Knads, I have a 10-month old bp, and he didn't eat the first few weeks for me either, so I know how worried you must be.

At that time, I was in touch with a vet's office who gave me advice and the number of a local breeder who told me exactly what to do to get him to eat. A lot of which was said here.

But I'm going to suggest what no one else here has...take him to a vet to be checked. There may be parasites or something else that's causing problems. When mine wasn't eating I was told that if he didn't eat by such and such a date he would have to come in.

And take heart...when my guy started eating, he ATE. I apparently have one that isn't fussy in the least when it comes to eating...

Good luck on your guy, I really hope it works out for him and you.

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