pinkie death

[mykee]

Sorry to jump in here, but what's a nutriment?

[Siretsap]

and no one has proven it doesn't either
so we both were wrong, just admit

[Burm crazy]

it does not realy matter if you feed your snake did pinkeysor not because that will not afect your snake if you wont to feed him dead food.

[marylyn101]

i just wanted to know a painless way to kil pinks and fuzzies. the fact that you two are so determined to prove to one another is kinda cool. i've never started a long forum before. but thank you for your contribution. i take both of your opoins(sp) and accept them both. but i wan to know how you "flick" it.

[Doug & Deb]

Put them in a zip lock bag and push the air out and them freeze them they will be dead within 5 minutes.

[vanderkm]

Marylyn,

Likely more detail than you want - should really take a picture because it is easier to show than to explain but - To kill pinkies or fuzzies by flicking or snapping their head, I grasp them firmly by the hindquarters, just over the hips, with my left thumb and forefinger and hold them firmly down so they cannot move forward. The tail is too delicate (it can separate) to hold at this age. I rest the fingernail of my right middle finger on my right thumb, direct it downward, and flick it off so that my fingernail will hit the rodent directly on the top of the head over the brain, compressing the skull beneath my fingernail when my finger snaps off my thumb. By using downward direction and holding the mouse firmly with the other hand, you make sure all the force is directed to the brain and you don't send the mouse flying across the room. You need some control to avoid rupturing the skull, so practice on fuzzies before doing pinkies - pinkies don't need much force. I place them in a container of shavings to absorb any urine, or blood that may come from the nose and remove them when they stop kicking and freeze or feed. If you hit too hard you will push brain material out the nose - they are dead immediately regardless, but it is a bit messy.

mary v.

[Neo]

this isnt really my argument but i just skimmed over this long thread and wanna offer an opinion. imo C02 is just as cruel as suffocation. They both make it so that the animal can no longer breathe and pass out. freezing is similar. we all know that temperature has to do with the movement of molecules (faster: hotter :: slower: colder) so before the blood crystallizes the circulation will progressively become slower. And we all know that the purpose of breathing is to provide blood with oxygen. So basically when the circulation is so slow that the rest of the body doesnt get oxygen, again the body will pass out from suffocation. Then the blood will continue to slow down till it crystallizes.

on that fruit topic... canned goods basically seal off air which can lead to chemical changes. like grape juice --> wine. dunno bout freezing. but what i'd think is that u know how when u freeze a bag of peas and u open it up u see a coating of ice? thats cause when u freeze it the water inside it expands out of its place. and when u thaw it out the water goes somewhere else (outside of the peas)

but yeah flicking it on the head will relieve it of consciousness. and we humans tend to define existence through consciousness. so instant unconsciousness= instant death.

oh yeah feel free to argue against me.. i'm just a highschool student and i bet u older ppl know more than me

[Linds]

A good arguement's great for anyone, but please refrain from namecalling (ie- dummy, idiot, etc). Thanks.
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Marylyn,
I end up exploding 30% of them if I wack I used to do the flicking thing for a while, but I still feel a bit uneasy, not sure if they are actually unconscious or not (you cannot tell since they still move regardless). What I do now, is pinch their skulls right in. You have to do it on the right angle, or else you end up squirting their brains right out the nose, I make sure to aim it backwards to the brain seperates and shoots back in to their back and shoulders. They still wriggle a bit, but there is no way that they are conscious after such severe head trauma :/

The frozen foods debate,
There actually was a study done on the nutritional value of frozen feeders (so it is completely 100% on track). The link is http://www.nal.usda.gov/awic/zoo/Wh...inal02May29.pdf ,but it appears to be down right now
My 2cp on the matter... if indeed there is any depletion of nutrients in your frozen feeders, it is so insignificant that it wouldn't affect the animal's health, and should not be of any concern.

Originally posted by Neo
imo C02 is just as cruel as suffocation. They both make it so that the animal can no longer breathe and pass out. freezing is similar.

It is completely differnet from suffocation (strangulation/drowning). The animal does not feel itself being deprived of oxygen, it can still take air in and out of its lungs, and just eventually becomes unconscious....much like if you were really tired. Now if you are drowning or strangling the animal, it cannot take air in at all and will completely panic until it is renedered unconscious... big difference.

but yeah flicking it on the head will relieve it of consciousness. and we humans tend to define existence through consciousness. so instant unconsciousness= instant death.

See above response.

[Neo]

oh yeah when i said suffocation i meant like sealing it in a bag. not choking or drowning. those cause shock to the brain