Morph/species related illness? - Page 5

**lady_bug87** · 06-10-15, 07:07 PM

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Originally Posted by SSSSnakes

The fact is that 4 spider balls had head wobble severe enough that they had to be assisted fed. I never said it was a common problem, only that it happens. You are going so far off this subject just to be right. So lets just say you are right and everyone else who disagrees with you or has had other personal experiences that you have never seen are wrong.

works for you right?

SSSSnakes · 06-10-15, 07:08 PM

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Originally Posted by lady_bug87

I suggest you take a look around the forum. browse my post history and then eat your words.

But sure I'll be the bad guy. Whatever helps you sleep at night.

I have no more to say to you or Aaron on this subject, because both of you at this point are just determined to go off topic to try and have the last word. Have a nice day.

**Aaron_S** · 06-10-15, 07:16 PM

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Originally Posted by SSSSnakes

The fact is that 4 spider balls had head wobble severe enough that they had to be assisted fed. I never said it was a common problem, only that it happens. You are going so far off this subject just to be right. So lets just say you are right and everyone else who disagrees with you or has had other personal experiences that you have never seen are wrong.

Jerry, I honestly have no problem being wrong. I just ask for context on the situation before I change my opinion. I don't see how it's a bad thing asking for more information. Its how we all learn. By bringing loads of experience together to sort through.

No one person's experience is fact as you suggest. It takes multiple experiences between people with the same or similar results to really become "fact". Which denotes it's a tried and true thing.

In this case I think 4 snakes is an anomaly and I wouldn't put it as "it happens" on a list of illnesses considering 10's of thousands aren't and don't end up like that. Furthermore, there still could be other factors that kept these snakes from eating on their own as that does happen with baby snakes of all species.

RAD House · 06-10-15, 07:54 PM

The difference between Jerry's back pedaling and yours, lady bug, is that his was an over exaggeration. Whereas yours was because you realized you were entirely wrong. The other difference I see is that Jerry's experience was supported by Dereck and by all appearances they are not connected. You and Aaron on the other hand are quite obviously somehow connected and are prone to have the same opinions. Finally it is quite clear that Jerry's opinion is the spider morph is related to head wobble and that this head wobble can be so severe that they require force feeding. You on the other hand are not so clear. I think you are saying the spider morph is in no way related to head wobble, even though I have read many experienced people saying the opposite. Secondly that you believe that head wobble can not be so severe as to necessitate force feeding or any other debilitating situations. On this I feel it is much more helpful to take advice of people that say they have dealt with this than those who have not. We are not talking about two nuts off the street here, we are talking about two people with years of experience in the industry.

trailblazer295 · 06-10-15, 08:20 PM

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Originally Posted by DDW

Come on, please calm down, I hate to see people fight

can we take a deep breathe and think. What is better for the forum? If new members end up reading fights between our own members, they might decide against staying, why don't we see what other than negative comments and such we can say please.

I've been on forums for pets, cars, electronics, snowmobiles etc for years. Members go back and forth all the time. It's not unique at all. Don't worry about it, just grab some popcorn.

On the original note what are species and or genes that have common issues. I started reading this for my own knowledge and learn what snakes to avoid the next time I want to add to my collection.

**lady_bug87** · 06-10-15, 08:47 PM

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Originally Posted by trailblazer295

I've been on forums for pets, cars, electronics, snowmobiles etc for years. Members go back and forth all the time. It's not unique at all. Don't worry about it, just grab some popcorn.

On the original note what are species and or genes that have common issues. I started reading this for my own knowledge and learn what snakes to avoid the next time I want to add to my collection.

I was wondering when you'd show up.

trailblazer295 · 06-10-15, 08:54 PM

Couldn't find my popcorn maker so I gave up.

**lady_bug87** · 06-10-15, 09:01 PM

You just can't stay away!

trailblazer295 · 06-10-15, 09:05 PM

Isn't the Internet supposed to be entertaining?

**lady_bug87** · 06-10-15, 09:13 PM

It is indeed!

trailblazer295 · 06-10-15, 09:18 PM

Forums are a usually a good source of people going back and forth. It reminds me of a quote I read but I can't say it as I'm sure I'll get in trouble.

DDW · 06-11-15, 05:18 AM

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Originally Posted by trailblazer295

I've been on forums for pets, cars, electronics, snowmobiles etc for years. Members go back and forth all the time. It's not unique at all. Don't worry about it, just grab some popcorn.

On the original note what are species and or genes that have common issues. I started reading this for my own knowledge and learn what snakes to avoid the next time I want to add to my collection.

I understand, I was just hoping to avoid the nessessity of the intervention of moderators.

That is the reason I chose to start this thread, so I could avoid these problems or if I do get one, know how to deal with them, like any other animal.

To be honest, I don't really care for the fat body of a royal/ball python(though the variety of morphs are pretty), too thick, proportions are weird to me. I would pick a slender snake over a thick, chubby looking one. (Though this might change in the future) and it seems that this is a species that has most of the problems (I'm thinking because it's been bred so much for all those morphs)

**lady_bug87** · 06-11-15, 06:17 AM

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Originally Posted by DDW

I understand, I was just hoping to avoid the nessessity of the intervention of moderators.

That is the reason I chose to start this thread, so I could avoid these problems or if I do get one, know how to deal with them, like any other animal.

To be honest, I don't really care for the fat body of a royal/ball python(though the variety of morphs are pretty), too thick, proportions are weird to me. I would pick a slender snake over a thick, chubby looking one. (Though this might change in the future) and it seems that this is a species that has most of the problems (I'm thinking because it's been bred so much for all those morphs)

That's a good point. Morphs are a "break" in the gene. Technically they're like a deformity. So when you breed for deformities there are consequences. Its important to remember that all of the issues in any species that are the result of selective morph breeding are on a spectrum. Some mild some severe.

Saying that, carpets, boas, some lizards, can all have issues. The important thing is to know what you're getting yourself into whether you're breeding or purchasing.

**Aaron_S** · 06-11-15, 06:24 AM

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Originally Posted by DDW

I understand, I was just hoping to avoid the nessessity of the intervention of moderators.

That is the reason I chose to start this thread, so I could avoid these problems or if I do get one, know how to deal with them, like any other animal.

To be honest, I don't really care for the fat body of a royal/ball python(though the variety of morphs are pretty), too thick, proportions are weird to me. I would pick a slender snake over a thick, chubby looking one. (Though this might change in the future) and it seems that this is a species that has most of the problems (I'm thinking because it's been bred so much for all those morphs)

The ball python morphs weren't "bred for". Morphs start by finding them in the wild then brought into captivity. Spiders, cinnamons, caramels, deserts etc. All were found so it wasn't due to inbreeding that cause any associated "defect".

Ball pythons just have more morphs than most species.

trailblazer295 · 06-11-15, 07:08 AM

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Originally Posted by DDW

I understand, I was just hoping to avoid the nessessity of the intervention of moderators.

That is the reason I chose to start this thread, so I could avoid these problems or if I do get one, know how to deal with them, like any other animal.

To be honest, I don't really care for the fat body of a royal/ball python(though the variety of morphs are pretty), too thick, proportions are weird to me. I would pick a slender snake over a thick, chubby looking one. (Though this might change in the future) and it seems that this is a species that has most of the problems (I'm thinking because it's been bred so much for all those morphs)

Fish are even worse then snakes, inbred to have such flashy colours and many have very poor immune systems as a result. Some are even physical deformities bred on purpose to create these 'fish'.