Feeding advice for yellow rat - Page 5

poomwah · 03-06-14, 06:45 PM

you were pushy, you wouldn't acknowledge that the fact that the snake might be wild caught was a valid reason to suspect that the issue might be prey related.
You couldn't accept that for some reason. I verified my temps were right, verified I had plenty of hides.
Tried to tell you the snake was acting hungry and looking for food.
The ONLY possibility you would accept is that the set up was wrong. You would give no leeway toward any other possibility.
Then , when you are wrong, you accuse me of lying and post pictures trying to make fun of my knowledge.
Take it easy Yoko, it will be ok

Mikoh4792 · 03-06-14, 06:47 PM

I know you've already solved the problem of getting your snake to eat, but could you post pics of the enclosure anyways? I'm just curious of how it looks.

Terranaut · 03-06-14, 06:49 PM

Well you don't seem to know much about conversation.
I ASKED about your set up and TOLD you to try your idea. Then you axted like I was some overbearing snake monger. Feel free to post a pic of the fed snake.

poomwah · 03-06-14, 06:50 PM

sure Mikoh, but I'm not taking the snake out for a picture like the expert wants me to do. Even someone "inexperienced" as I do knows not to handle the snake right after it ate.
Nice one Terra, imagine if I WAS as inexperienced as you say I am, and I listened to your taunting and got the snake out to prove to you that she ate. Then, I could also send you a picture when she regurged. Nice.

poomwah · 03-06-14, 06:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Terranaut

Well you don't seem to know much about conversation.
I ASKED about your set up and TOLD you to try your idea. Then you axted like I was some overbearing snake monger. Feel free to post a pic of the fed snake.

I know about conversation with civilized, educated, open minded people. You're helping me lean about the other kind. When you told me to try my idea, you didn't think it would work, you only said it out of frustration because I wouldn't bow down to your superior knowledge.

**Aaron_S** · 03-06-14, 06:55 PM

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Originally Posted by poomwah

Well put, and I totally agree. Generally, a properly setup snake will eat when offered. But more specifically it was not a settling in or a stress related issue or a setup issue, it was a prey issue. That should be obvious now.
Not to mention, since a properly set up snake will eat when offered, does that not mean that my setup is proper?

I never said it was improper just that it was stressed.

Secondly, I don't really ever have 'prey issues" with snakes. Even wild caughts. Only a handful of species don't readily eat mice. Again, I have had the luck of working in the industry as a teen and I dealt with lots of various species.

Third, I do not believe this to be a wild caught. Why? I read the fauna thread. The person you bought it from is apparently a known breeder and I doubt he'd catch a snake JUST to flip. Sounds silly in my book.

The reason I don't have "prey" issues it's taking the accountability of the error being on the keeper. You have not ONCE admitted to the fact that it might just be you providing the problem. Not once. It was always the snake's fault in some manner.I find this to be a bad trait in keeper's. It's called arrogance.
It's asinine to believe that a snake, that's been around forever to not know how to eat.It isn't like they eat one prey item in the wild. It's an animal bred to eat when the opportunity arises. Why would it not if everything is correct? Again. Common sense.

**Aaron_S** · 03-06-14, 06:57 PM

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Originally Posted by poomwah

sure Mikoh, but I'm not taking the snake out for a picture like the expert wants me to do. Even someone "inexperienced" as I do knows not to handle the snake right after it ate.
Nice one Terra, imagine if I WAS as inexperienced as you say I am, and I listened to your taunting and got the snake out to prove to you that she ate. Then, I could also send you a picture when she regurged. Nice.

I am not going to suggest you take the animal out for a handling session. That would most likely cause it to regurge but from my experiences I have had to move animals who had eaten within the past couple of hours. They don't regurge so quickly once it's down.

So if you wanted to, you could take a picture by lifting the hide and snapping a pic of the snake in the enclosure.

I am not siding with anyone. I am simply providing the facts of snake physiology.

Terranaut · 03-06-14, 07:01 PM

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Originally Posted by poomwah

I know about conversation with civilized, educated, open minded people. You're helping me lean about the other kind. When you told me to try my idea, you didn't think it would work, you only said it out of frustration because I wouldn't bow down to your superior knowledge.

Now telling me what I am thinking? Do you honestly think I was hoping for a regurge? Dude your a mess. It's a snake conspiracy. Or is it a WC vs CBB conspiracy by your breeder or a web site conspiracy from the other site you slammed here. Keep going....we are entering the entertainment stage

Mikoh4792 · 03-06-14, 07:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Terranaut

Keep going....we are entering the entertainment stage

Usually happens by the 5th page mark

poomwah · 03-06-14, 07:11 PM

Aaron, thank you for your post being civil
I understand where your are coming from whether it seems like I do or not.
I did initially accept the probability that I was wrong, that's why I asked for advice. But before I even asked on here, I had been going over my setup trying to eliminate possible problem areas, by the time I got here, the only possible issue with my setup was the issue that some had been saying about the enclosure being too big.
The more I checked things and the more I looked into it, and made sure I had my bases covered, and the more I noticed the snakes behavior, the more I realized it was something else. I'm often wrong, this is one of those cases I wasn't. I don't know if its wild caught or not, I'd like to think its not, but there are some things that make me (and a few others) suspect it or at the very least concede that its possible. Hopefully not wc, but still possible. The fact alone that the snake is so small for its age shows the likelihood that it may have been a problem feeder all along. Not a definite indicator of course, but enough to put the question in ones mind.
Then after you check your housing conditions, and note the snakes behavior, it was only logical.
And you guys realize that by posting pics of my enclosure, all its going to do is get me criticized. Or Terra is going to jump on his high horse and say its not the same enclosure, in addition to totally criticizing every aspect of it.
I don't have a picture of the snake because she burrowed into the substrate on the warm side. And to be honest, I can't say theres much of a bulge. I wanted to start her off slowly with a small meal.

poomwah · 03-06-14, 07:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Terranaut

Now telling me what I am thinking? Do you honestly think I was hoping for a regurge? Dude your a mess. It's a snake conspiracy. Or is it a WC vs CBB conspiracy by your breeder or a web site conspiracy from the other site you slammed here. Keep going....we are entering the entertainment stage

This is why I have such a low opinion of you. You twist things around JUST so you can argue. I NEVER said you were hoping for a regurge. If you want some entertainment I could write something funny, but you probably won't understand it because I don't have any crayons.
I wish I could spell it out for you, I said that IF I did what YOU said to do, I would risk the snake regurging. I NEVER said you were hoping for it. I said that luckily I know better.

Mikoh4792 · 03-06-14, 07:20 PM

Thanks for the pic. So obviously she has places to hide and burrow, I think it would be better to use all that extra space in the air by putting in logs/branches and some fake plants.

Most north american ratsnakes are semi-arboreal and will climb when given options.

What exactly are you using to heat the enclosure? What are you using to read the temps?

poomwah · 03-06-14, 07:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Mikoh4792

Thanks for the pic. So obviously she has places to hide and burrow, I think it would be better to use all that extra space in the air by putting in logs/branches and some fake plants.

Most north american ratsnakes are semi-arboreal and will climb when given options.

What exactly are you using to heat the enclosure? What are you using to read the temps?

I TOTALLYagree, a LOT of wasted space right now. I still have to sterilize some branches for her. From what I've read and heard yellow rat snakes love to climb even more than most other NA ratsnakes.
There is one foot of 11 inch flexwatt underneath one end of the tank. For measuring temps on this one I use a repti temp laser thermometer.
The substrate is aspen.

Terranaut · 03-06-14, 07:26 PM

Omg. Thanks so much for posting your set up.
Yup your right. Your a snake keeping master. Look at all that cover. It sure shows me why the snake won't eat. Also I like the taste of crayons.
Just so this ends....that has no cover. None!!
Go back and read what was written as advice to you. For the sake of your snake follow it and fix that tank up. You don't have to admit you followed our /my advice but for the snakes sake please do something.

infernalis · 03-06-14, 07:52 PM

I use a lot of these water bowls, they double as a hide. My corn, milks and a few of my garters chose to hide under there over anywhere else, and I find them at Dollar Tree all the time.