Turbine eating in the air.

[MDT]

Originally Posted by Ks42

from experience i can say feeding in a separate encloser greatly reduces the chance of being mistaken for feeding time,thus resulting in being struck, if its really to much of a problem to spend 15 minutes swapping enclosers for feeding time then why spend the time and money owning/caring for a snake.
my snakes know there gettin food when i put them in there feeding enclosers,
and know thair not, when there in there housing encloser,

Are you kidding me? Dude...work smarter, not harder. Hook train, feed in enclosure, make sure husbandry is good. It's not that tough.

You've obviously not owned/fed retics....

[Ks42]

Originally Posted by Mikoh4792

But you are. You said several posts ago that feeding in a tub greatly reduces the risk of getting struck... so in other words you are saying it's better than feeding inside the enclosure, and also chastising people who feed their snakes in their cages for not allotting the time to care for their snakes. Time is not the reason I choose to feed inside the enclosure.

not once have i chastising what so ever, simply stating my opinion, i feed them in seperatre enclosures to reduce the chance ofhostility as wekk as imcation ,it maybe uncommen, but not unheard of, can you justify feeding in the encloser? better safe then sorry is my motto and nothig but the best for my snakes, id hate to come back to a feeding and see my snake wth a mouthfull of bedding, once again, not commen but not unherd of.
if you dont want to feed in a seperate enclosure then thats your choise,. once agina, since times not the reason you feed outside the cage, can you justify the fact you dont?

[Ks42]

Originally Posted by MDT

Are you kidding me? Dude...work smarter, not harder. Hook train, feed in enclosure, make sure husbandry is good. It's not that tough.

You've obviously not owned/fed retics....

impaction isnt unherd of, isnt working safer also working smarter. i hadle all my anske and no, i dont work with retics, never said i did.
BP and boas as well as colus

[Ks42]

Originally Posted by poison123

Thank for your reply

Snakes generally don't go off to hide once they've got ahold of their prey item. Once they finish feeding then yes.

I too have heard these stories but a lot of times it is just assumptions and the snakes don't get taken to the vet to find out.

Spider eggs and fly eggs will not do any harm if ingested. They would get digested in a matter of time. No clue on how harmful fungal spors are.

fungi spors are the leading cause of lung and respritory issues and can caus alot of issues, and are also very commen in coco husk bedidng as well as plantation soil. nbaking is a must if you ask me

[CosmicOwl]

Originally Posted by Ks42

not once have i chastising what so ever, simply stating my opinion, i feed them in seperatre enclosures to reduce the chance ofhostility as wekk as imcation ,it maybe uncommen, but not unheard of, can you justify feeding in the encloser? better safe then sorry is my motto and nothig but the best for my snakes, id hate to come back to a feeding and see my snake wth a mouthfull of bedding, once again, not commen but not unherd of.
if you dont want to feed in a seperate enclosure then thats your choise,. once agina, since times not the reason you feed outside the cage, can you justify the fact you dont?

There's no logic behind the idea that feeding in a separate enclosure makes a snake less aggressive. You can easily reverse the theory and say that feeding a snake in a separate enclosure will cause them to associate being taken out of the cage with being fed. Thus it would be more likely that they will bite you any time you take them out o their environment.

Feeding in a separate tub just adds unnecessary stress to an animal.You're taking a snake out of the enclosure it's accustomed to, moving it to an alien enclosure, feeding it, and then picking it up and moving it back to it's normal enclosure. If you don't see how that is more stressful(and likely to cause aggression) than simply feeding your snake in it's enclosure, than you might need to reevaluate your understanding of reptile husbandry.

[Ks42]

Originally Posted by CosmicOwl

There's no logic behind the idea that feeding in a separate enclosure makes a snake less aggressive. You can easily reverse the theory and say that feeding a snake in a separate enclosure will cause them to associate being taken out of the cage with being fed. Thus it would be more likely that they will bite you any time you take them out o their environment.

Feeding in a separate tub just adds unnecessary stress to an animal.You're taking a snake out of the enclosure it's accustomed to, moving it to an alien enclosure, feeding it, and then picking it up and moving it back to it's normal enclosure. If you don't see how that is more stressful(and likely to cause aggression) than simply feeding your snake in it's enclosure, than you might need to reevaluate your understanding of reptile husbandry.

well considering all my snakes have been tub fed since they were babies as well as handled almost every day for a period of about 40 minutes and not once has any snake in my collection ever reared up at me or showed agretion in any way what so ever, now on the other hand, the second i out them in the feeding tubs, any thing that enters the enclosure is reconized as food, , my snakes are ecxtreamly agressive and stoong feeders, mouse doesnt even touch the ground and its already in its mouth.

to cockly reply to your comment, do you try and eat befor youre seated at your supper table? not likley
as for my understanding of husbandry, ive never encounters a problem relating towards that topic or any problem with my snakes for that matter, one picky feeder is the only thing i have to deal with and thats been solved with a few assists feeds, now hes eating all on his own and happier then ever, so if my understanding of husbandry is misguided, id like to first see signs from my several snakes befor id say my understandings of the husbndry is misguided, you sir are just ignorent

[Starbuck]

Originally Posted by Ks42

fungi spors are the leading cause of lung and respiratory issues and can caus alot of issues, and are also very commen in coco husk bedidng as well as plantation soil. nbaking is a must if you ask me

Every time you pick up your snake, or fill its water dish from the tap, or feed it a live prey item, you are introducing it to fungal spores and bacteria. The World is not sterile, and a properly picked up snake enclosure is not going to kill your snake with exposure to these microbes. Additionally, not all fungi causes disease, i can eat a whole tub of bakers yeast and i won't get a lung infection; it takes the right microbe at the right time, with access to the right environment to cause illness.
A healthy, adult snake with access to proper humidity and temperatures, regardless of its substrate (or ingestion of that substrate... unless maybe it ate a whole slab of repticarpet or something) is NOT going to get sick from 'fungal spores' in its bedding.

I have never baked my substrates, and have used cocohusk, aspen, newspaper, and now cypress mulch, and i have never had an issue with respiratory infections in any of my snakes.

Some of the healthiest, and best-kept snakes on this forum use bio-active substrate, picked up outside and dumped right into the enclosure.

[Ks42]

Originally Posted by CosmicOwl

There's no logic behind the idea that feeding in a separate enclosure makes a snake less aggressive. You can easily reverse the theory and say that feeding a snake in a separate enclosure will cause them to associate being taken out of the cage with being fed. Thus it would be more likely that they will bite you any time you take them out o their environment.

Feeding in a separate tub just adds unnecessary stress to an animal.You're taking a snake out of the enclosure it's accustomed to, moving it to an alien enclosure, feeding it, and then picking it up and moving it back to it's normal enclosure. If you don't see how that is more stressful(and likely to cause aggression) than simply feeding your snake in it's enclosure, than you might need to reevaluate your understanding of reptile husbandry.

to address your comment about the alien encloser, my snakes have been using the same feeding tubs since there were hatched,so its VERY unlikley that its considers an alien enviroment, more like a secontd home/ resturant. its there dinner table and every single one of my snakes realize and acknowledge that face. proof is by them eating and me never being it. dont like it? deal with it an ddo it your way,

[Ks42]

Originally Posted by Starbuck

Every time you pick up your snake, or fill its water dish from the tap, or feed it a live prey item, you are introducing it to fungal spores and bacteria. The World is not sterile, and a properly picked up snake enclosure is not going to kill your snake with exposure to these microbes. Additionally, not all fungi causes disease, i can eat a whole tub of bakers yeast and i won't get a lung infection; it takes the right microbe at the right time, with access to the right environment to cause illness.
A healthy, adult snake with access to proper humidity and temperatures, regardless of its substrate (or ingestion of that substrate... unless maybe it ate a whole slab of repticarpet or something) is NOT going to get sick from 'fungal spores' in its bedding.

I have never baked my substrates, and have used cocohusk, aspen, newspaper, and now cypress mulch, and i have never had an issue with respiratory infections in any of my snakes.

Some of the healthiest, and best-kept snakes on this forum use bio-active substrate, picked up outside and dumped right into the enclosure.

well to adres this in a rather apropriate manner. i run and work at a pet stor for the past 8 years, even my suppliers suggest baking bedding due to FM like spores, several cases have occured were mushrooms have gronw and becomes visible within there enclosure, high humidity and darkness are key in mushroom grown,

fungal spors are one lead cause in respritory problems. this is a true fact, just likenot all fungi are dangerious but why wouldnt you take the propper precautiings to ensure a a good enclosure. safty first. if the people who produce it and provide it suggest you to bake it as a precautiobn, why wouldnt you, few minutes out of your day for a spore free enviroment and an even more controled encloser.
the question is, why wouldnt you bake somehting that can be potentialy dangerious to somehting you love?

[poison123]

I have had mushrooms grow in my enclosures but they die very fast and never show up again.

The lead cause in URI in reptiles has nothing to do with fungal spors. It is caused by improper husbandy (like temps and humidity).

[Shann]

I'm sorry but "I work at a pet store and my suppliers even suggest" does not give me confidence or make me suddenly want to take your advice. I've seen way more bad pet stores than good.

You seem to think we don't do these things because it's a time issue. Most of us don't do these things because there really is no point, and I believe that it's more detrimental than good in the case of feeding outside the enclosure.

I have never heard anyone say that fungal spores are a leading cause in respiratory problems until you said it just now, so I'm just curious on where you're getting this information.

[poison123]

Ks42, what petstore do you own?

[bigsnakegirl785]

Originally Posted by Ks42

well from experience with my red-tailed boasaswell as a few of my friends boas, i have never had a problem doing the swapp, the proper equiptmet does come in handy with a nippy snake such as a SNAKE HOOK which i would say is a must have in the closet of any larger snake owner, once again, from my experience as well as many snake owners and breeders that i have come to know, agree that feeding in the enclosur increases hostility towards one entering the encloser that they are repeatedly being fed in,

if you dont handle your snakes then why worrie if there hostile in there enclosurs (ie.breeding snakes)

I feed my boa constrictor in the enclosure, and I don't get any sort of feeding response outside of feeding day from him. In fact, the only times I've gotten bit or struck at was when I was feeding in a separate container. Not only that, but he's getting more and more docile every day. He won't even strike his food anymore and tries to run away if I dangle it around. He used to send hides flying and slosh water out of his dish hitting his food.

Originally Posted by Ks42

not once have i chastising what so ever, simply stating my opinion, i feed them in seperatre enclosures to reduce the chance ofhostility as wekk as imcation ,it maybe uncommen, but not unheard of, can you justify feeding in the encloser? better safe then sorry is my motto and nothig but the best for my snakes, id hate to come back to a feeding and see my snake wth a mouthfull of bedding, once again, not commen but not unherd of.
if you dont want to feed in a seperate enclosure then thats your choise,. once agina, since times not the reason you feed outside the cage, can you justify the fact you dont?

All of my snakes have ingested mouthfuls of bedding on several occasions without any sort of bad thing happening. If you practice proper husbandry I doubt impaction is anything to worry about.

Originally Posted by Ks42

fungi spors are the leading cause of lung and respritory issues and can caus alot of issues, and are also very commen in coco husk bedidng as well as plantation soil. nbaking is a must if you ask me

No, bacterial and viral infections cause RI's, of which fungi is neither.

I'm not going to say either feeding in or out of the enclosure reduces aggression. In my case, in the enclosure REDUCED me getting bit, but it could be different for another INDIVIDUAL snake. It also would not do well for my ball python who has such a weak feeding response it's basically non-existent.

[Ks42]

Originally Posted by bigsnakegirl785

I feed my boa constrictor in the enclosure, and I don't get any sort of feeding response outside of feeding day from him. In fact, the only times I've gotten bit or struck at was when I was feeding in a separate container. Not only that, but he's getting more and more docile every day. He won't even strike his food anymore and tries to run away if I dangle it around. He used to send hides flying and slosh water out of his dish hitting his food.



All of my snakes have ingested mouthfuls of bedding on several occasions without any sort of bad thing happening. If you practice proper husbandry I doubt impaction is anything to worry about.

No, bacterial and viral infections cause RI's, of which fungi is neither.

I'm not going to say either feeding in or out of the enclosure reduces aggression. In my case, in the enclosure REDUCED me getting bit, but it could be different for another INDIVIDUAL snake. It also would not do well for my ball python who has such a weak feeding response it's basically non-existent.

ive posted everything as my own and friends opinions , mold is commen with humiduty and produces spores, could that not cause lung infections if inhailed in larger quantitys ? and putting them in a bedding less container for feeding would solve the mouthfuls of bedding issue, if you dont find that a problem well thats your opinion.

[poison123]

Originally Posted by Ks42

ive posted everything as my own and friends opinions ,

Did you?,,,

Originally Posted by Ks42

fungal spors are one lead cause in respritory problems. this is a true fact,