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Jay · 08-18-12, 10:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Wildside

I don't believe he was showing affection and I agree with everything else you said in this post. But, is it not valid to assume that a snake, take your jcp for example, trusts you enough not to eat him?

Exactly an "assumption"

infernalis · 08-18-12, 10:04 AM

now I do believe snakes associate their keepers with getting fed.

Wildside · 08-18-12, 10:07 AM

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Originally Posted by infernalis

I know the question was directed at Jay, so I shall interject for a moment.

My snakes are observation animals, and seldom get touched. Many of them I have to tong feed them, and if I need to take them out, I have to make sure they have a mouse in their mouth before I reach in, or i will get tagged.

And, no they are not hots, Just plain colubrids.

Never seen anything wrong with admiring them through the glass.

I am on both sides of this argument. I think the whole issue is very grey. I do not believe snakes are affectionate or love me or are the least bit happy that I'm keeping them in a cage rather than allowing them to roam free in their natural habitat. But, on the flip side, I'm not exactly sure how much they care about being in a cage either when all their needs are met at even greater odds than they might be in the wild.

All I'm saying is it's very possible that your snake remembers you didn't pose a threat last time you touched him. Case in point, Jay's JCP remembers that he is a cool tree to climb around on.

Wildside · 08-18-12, 10:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Jay

Exactly an "assumption"

An assumption with evidence to support it.

**Pareeeee** · 08-18-12, 10:08 AM

Snakes do have memory - how else could they be tamed? By learning and remembering. How do they remember that the feeding tongs represent food? Something that they would not see in the wild? MEMORY.

Jay · 08-18-12, 10:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Wildside

I am on both sides of this argument. I think the whole issue is very grey. I do not believe snakes are affectionate or love me or are the least bit happy that I'm keeping them in a cage rather than allowing them to roam free in their natural habitat. But, on the flip side, I'm not exactly sure how much they care about being in a cage either when all their needs are met at even greater odds than they might be in the wild.

All I'm saying is it's very possible that your snake remembers you didn't pose a threat last time you touched him. Case in point, Jay's JCP remembers that he is a cool tree to climb around on.

Logical reasoning.

Jay · 08-18-12, 10:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Pareeeee

Snakes do have memory - how else could they be tamed? By learning and remembering. How do they remember that the feeding tongs represent food? Something that they would not see in the wild and certainly would not be in their instinct? MEMORY.

Oh boy, you certainly cannot and will not ever tame a snake. Some snakes are just more tolerable to humans then others. My atb can be a total lunatic one day and the next day he lets me in his cage to sot clean.

infernalis · 08-18-12, 10:14 AM

Try this experiment (In jest, don't do it)

Place your snake, regardless of species on the ground during a nice warm sunny day, turn your back for a few moments.

Now when you turn around, did your "buddy" stay put? did he even look back at you as he slithered away?

Wildside · 08-18-12, 10:14 AM

Every ATB I've ever met was a total lunatic ~just sayin'

**Pareeeee** · 08-18-12, 10:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Jay

Oh boy, you certainly cannot and will not ever tame a snake. Some snakes are just more tolerable to humans then others. My atb can be a total lunatic one day and the next day he lets me in his cage to sot clean.

They start out as aggressive, scared hatchlings and learn not to be afraid of us through the process of taming. I know this because my first snake when I was a kid was a wild-caught Red-belly Snake, which quickly learned not to be afraid of me and actually ate food straight from my hand.

Not saying they lose their wild-animal instincts, but they do remember things.

Jay · 08-18-12, 10:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Pareeeee

They start out as aggressive, scared hatchlings and learn not to be afraid of us through the process of taming. I know this because my first snake when I was a kid was a wild-caught Red-belly Snake, which quickly learned not to be afraid of me and actually ate food straight from my hand.

Not saying they lose their wild-animal instincts, but they do remember things.

Is that so...
Believe what you want. This form is more of a social network, filled with a bunch of people who think they know what they're talking about.

SNAKES DO NOT TAME.

I bought a snake off a member here who told me she was VERY aggressive. I haven't noticed the slightest bit of aggression, yet.

**Pareeeee** · 08-18-12, 10:31 AM

I'm not saying that they like us or enjoy our company, but they get used to us and learn not to fear us. This displays memory ability. Same with recognition of tongs. Conditioning. Memory.

Jay · 08-18-12, 10:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Pareeeee

I'm not saying that they like us or enjoy our company, but they get used to us and learn not to fear us. This displays memory ability. Same with recognition of tongs. Conditioning. Memory.

I too like getting info of the net. The only difference is I dont preach it unless I've witnessed it.

Tell me, where do you get your info from?

**Pareeeee** · 08-18-12, 10:39 AM

From owning my snakes and watching them. Seeing other people and their snakes. I have not read anything off the net, this is just from personal experience.

Nice how rude you are. Everyone enjoys rude people. Thanks for that.

Jay · 08-18-12, 10:43 AM

Glad I could help.