Pro-Hybrid Discussion Thread

[StudentoReptile]

Well, I know I've seen photos of the "wall" (woma x ball). I'll dig one up tomorrow. Personally, if those two species can cross, then I can reasonably believe any of those other python x python crosses (regardless of species), even if there wasn't a photo easily found. Note: all oviparous.

Same with most boa x boa crosses, including an anaconda x rainbow boa, ATB x ETB (thats the only boa hybrids I can think of off the bat). Note: all viviparous.

Same with most New World colubrid hybrids that involve Lampropeltis, Pantherophis (Elaphe), and Pituophis. Note: all oviparous.

[bigdog2003]

Originally Posted by moshirimon

very interesting. didn't know there were that many different hybrids. Alot of people will say "what's the point of a hybrid" and in my opinion there is no point. Just pure fascination and curiosity. I don't think hybrids are any worse than morphs.

Anyway, have you seen these super cool crested gecko(Rhacodactylus ciliatus) X Rhacodactylus chahoua
http://lancehybrids.webs.com/tee%20gecko%20back.JPG

Also i have always wanted one of these corn X king snakes. I believe they're called jungle corns, anybody know how much they go for?
http://cccorns.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=25187&stc=1&thumb=0&d= 1285267439

There was a guy with one at a show today for $60.

[StudentoReptile]

Originally Posted by marvelfreak

Haft the snake on the known python hybrid list i can't find pictures of. Like Shaun said if you want people to believe your claim you got to have proof.

Specifically, which ones are you having trouble with finding photos and/or believing?
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First of all, some of the hybrids are mentioned twice on that list, because they involve a lot of the same animals.

Secondly, keep in mind that some of them are hybrids crossed back to a pure animal [Ex: Retic x (Retic X Burm) = Jungle Retic]. We know the bateater exists. Is it really farfetched that the hybrid could be bred back to the pure species of either parent?

Also, a lot of those Carpet hybrids are Morelia x Morelia. Again, we know this possible. Additionally, a lot of them are just intergrades and subspecies of carpets.

I mean...just look at the list and think about it. Even if you can't scrounge up a photo easily through google, it doesn't mean the crossing is impossible. I know that may sound contradictory to some of my other statements, but I am also taking account the evidence of KNOWN documented python hybrids I HAVE seen photos of, and evaluating what I think is possible.

[exwizard]

Ooh sheez... I just found out where I could pick up
a Carpondro.

No! I... must... resist...!

Deja vous! This will not happen!

[Robyn@SYR]

Interesting discussion and pics here.

There have been a limited number of eggs from a Boelen's female laid from a captive breeding. Even fewer of those have hatched.

I would guess that the Coelen's hybrid is from a male Boelen's to female carpet, would like to get some confirmation on that : )

[StudentoReptile]

Originally Posted by Robyn@SYR

I would guess that the Coelen's hybrid is from a male Boelen's to female carpet, would like to get some confirmation on that : )

One of the original threads on the BLBC where Tom announced the hatchlings: Something you normally hear from a proctologist! - Page 2

About halfway down...

Yes actually a Irian Jaya

So I was incorrect earlier...I had assumed it was a carpet male to a Boelen's female.

[StudentoReptile]

Okay Marvel, I dunno which ones you were looking for, but I'll dig up what I can...

Wall = woma (Aspidites ramsayi) x ball python (P. regius)


Carpall = jungle Carpet (Morelia spilota cheynei) x ball python


Carball or ballpet = IJ carpet (M.s. variegata) x x ball python

[StudentoReptile]

Superball = Black blood python x ball python


Burmball = Burmese python x ball python


Borneo Bateater = Burmese python x (mainland) reticulated python


Two different variations of the Jungle Retic = Bateater x (mainland) reticulated python



Cateater = Burmese python x African rock python

[MoreliAddict]

I love the Cateater and the Bateater

[StudentoReptile]

Angry Ball = Angolan python x ball python

[StudentoReptile]

Junglot = Jungle carpet python x Macklots python


Coma = WP carpet x woma python

[KORBIN5895]

Okay. I may not be keen on hybrids but I want a cateater. With all the people giving away free cats on kijiji that thing will be easy to keep fed.

[MoreliAddict]

They said on animal planet that the Cateater (burm X Af Rock) is a larger snake than a pure Burm or Af Rock. Is there truth to this??

[StudentoReptile]

Originally Posted by MoreliAddict

They said on animal planet that the Cateater (burm X Af Rock) is a larger snake than a pure Burm or Af Rock. Is there truth to this??

Given the typical garbage AP usually airs nowadays, likely not. However, it is possible, as many known hybrids do get a tad larger than both parent species, although the only reptile case I know of where this has happened is a siamese crocodile x saltwater croc hybrid.

In any case, a slight increase in size notwithstanding, the alleged Afrock x burm hybrid is not some huge invincible monster that will utterly turn the ecological balance of the Everglades on end. That special on AP was better suited as SyFy Channel b-movie fodder.

[MoreliAddict]

That special was fun to watch though!

It referred to Cateaters as "killer aliens".