Burm/ball hybrid - Page 4

moshirimon · 06-30-12, 09:18 AM

Looks like genetic stripe ball X goldenchild retic. That's just what it looks like not too sure exactly what they mixed

Gregg M · 06-30-12, 09:37 AM

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Originally Posted by KORBIN5895

Do you have proof to support this? First hand experience maybe?

Yeah, take a look at hybrids that can produce viable offspring. So far, every species of snake that has been hybridized successfully are fertile. If their gentic codes did not match up, we would not even be having this debate. My first hand experience is with my gaboon/rhino viper hybrids. You can not deny what happens infront of your face. Obviously, there are certain crosses that can not happen in reptiles because of their genetic differences.

Taxonomy is a man made ology. LOL. What taxonomist used to believe is flipped upside down because of viable, fertile reptilian hybrids. These animals are a lot closer related than we once thought.

infernalis · 06-30-12, 10:14 AM

One has to really look WAY back, snakes have been with us longer than any other living animal, Many appear to have only been separated by continental drift.

There are some species on other continents that are nearly identical, with the exception of whatever evolutionary cards they have been dealt.

Here in North America we have the smooth green snake, over in China they have the "giant green snake" (Cyclophiops Major) both are virtually identical in every way, except the Chinese snake grows six times the size of the North American green snake. The N.A. version brumates in the winter, the Rain forest version has warm weather year round, the Chinese snakes eat larger insects, so I think it would stand to reason that the ones in China have evolved into larger snakes.

Rat Snakes are another great example, Rats must be very old snakes, they are everywhere in one form or another.

Who knows, but I would bet that if you went back millions of years, that most snakes share a common ancestry, or the genetics would not be so darn close.

KORBIN5895 · 06-30-12, 10:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Gregg M

Yeah, take a look at hybrids that can produce viable offspring. So far, every species of snake that has been hybridized successfully are fertile. If their gentic codes did not match up, we would not even be having this debate. My first hand experience is with my gaboon/rhino viper hybrids. You can not deny what happens infront of your face. Obviously, there are certain crosses that can not happen in reptiles because of their genetic differences.

Taxonomy is a man made ology. LOL. What taxonomist used to believe is flipped upside down because of viable, fertile reptilian hybrids. These animals are a lot closer related than we once thought.

Well Greg I never took you yo be one of them!

Go back and read what I put in bold. Maybe you will feel differently about admitting it on a public forum!

FangsAnarchy · 06-30-12, 11:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Gregg M

So what about hybrids that do happen in the wild? It happen a lot. All over the world with many different species.
Most of todays species are the result of hybridization and intergrading according to scientific DNA research. Are hybrids an abomination or a fast foward button on evolution?

It can be considered entirely unethical and is 100% unnatural to keep snakes in cages in your home. It is not natural for them to be kept on news paper. It is not natural for them not to bask in natural sunlight. It is not natural for them to get fed white lab rodents. It is not natural for YOU to pick who breeds with who. When you breed reptiles in captivity, there is no natural selection. Natural selection is thrown out the window once you pair up your breeders. So, you are not preserving any original gentic codes. Besides that, hybrids have been produced for over 20 years and the gene pools are not destroyed and it is very easy to find pure animals.

What makes what you do any more ethical than someone who breeds two animals of a different species and creates some cool looking offspring? Nothing at all, so get off the high horse, Mr. "ethics". All this talk about ethics yet you are keeping (and breeding?) a carpet python morph that is as well known for its neurological defect as it is for its cool pattern. Way to go preserving those all important original genetic codes!! A bit hypocritical, dont you think?

Hybrids are not my favorite but there are quite a few that I do like. I woud also never tell someone who breeds them that they are criminals. To each their own. Whats great about this hobby is how diverse it is and hybrids just add to that diversity. Bring them on!!!

Thank you!

Gregg M · 06-30-12, 01:21 PM

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Originally Posted by KORBIN5895

Well Greg I never took you yo be one of them!

Go back and read what I put in bold. Maybe you will feel differently about admitting it on a public forum!

LOL. I didnt catch the statement in bold dude. LOL. To answer that question, no I have no first hand experience with trying to breed with primates. Although I am sure I would creat some really good looking monkeys if I did. LOL.

marvelfreak · 07-01-12, 01:33 PM

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Originally Posted by StudentoReptile

I forget. But its always fun to watch their face when I ask them "So you were able to cross an egg-laying snake with a snake that gives live birth? How did you do it?"

This can be done ? Sweet i'll put my male Yellow Anaconda with my female Blood Python tonight and make the first every Blood Anacondas.

Just joking. lol Already done it and have eggs in the incubator. lol

GUITARZAN509 · 07-03-12, 05:24 PM

Neat looking but personally i dont agree with the hybred thing in tropical fish or any animal

exwizard · 07-03-12, 05:50 PM

Yeah its not for everybody. Personally, I dont have a problem with it under certain conditions:

1- The seller of the hybrid is up front and honest about what it is that he/she is selling

2- The health and well being of the babies or the breeders is not sacrificed in order to produce said hybrid.

I know other peoples opinions will differ on this. This is just where I am coming from. I dont own any hybrids but I am facinated with Carpondros and Bateaters. Time will tell I guess, but I really doubt I will ever have a Bateater since Retics are illegal here.

The OP video of the Burmball is pretty cool looking but I think this goes beyond where I would draw the line for me.

stevenrudge · 07-30-12, 01:37 PM

TWENTY snakes have been euthanased after they were found to be a hybrid of two native species.

Environment officials in Adelaide say the snakes were advertised for sale by a licensed breeder and were found to be a cross between Bredi pythons and coastal carpet pythons.

Cross-breeding native species is illegal.

"We don't like to have to euthanase animals, but there are a number of problems associated with cross-breeding of species," SA fauna permits unit manager Sonya Nicholls said.

"We are not trying to stop people from keeping or selling protected natives.

"But it is very important that everyone who does this understands their legal requirements, as well as their social and environmental obligations."

Ms Nicholls said it was important that breeders maintained the purity of genetic stock to ensure the long-term survival of Australia's native species.
l've just found this on another forum
your thoughts

Snakeman8 · 01-20-13, 05:02 PM

typical for purist, complaining about something thats new and calling it an abomination.

KORBIN5895 · 01-20-13, 06:09 PM

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typical for purist, complaining about something thats new and calling it an abomination.

Typical of someone who has their head shoved so far up their own butt they don't understand how ignorant it is to break laws that will affect others in this hobby.

GUITARZAN509 · 01-20-13, 06:17 PM

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Originally Posted by infernalis

personally, my feelings are this..... That abomination poses a threat to the true royals, since many states are banning giants, the moment giant bp's become common, it's entirely possible, or maybe even likely that they will modify the bans.

Come on people.. What exactly does this crossing accomplish?? The hobby is suffering already without giant royals in the picture.

agreed, shouldnt mess with mother nature

Snakeman8 · 01-21-13, 12:40 PM

shouldnt this be considered an intergrade since their in the same genus?
they dont get very big, seven to eight feet adults.
i would love to make a clutch of these, then keep one and sell the rest.
korbin, your oppinon doesnt matter at the moment.

EmbraceCalamity · 01-21-13, 12:52 PM

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Originally Posted by GUITARZAN509

agreed, shouldnt mess with mother nature

In all fairness - not that I'm defending the hybrids because I don't really care either way - pretty much everything we ever do with herps is messing with mother nature. We keep them in artificial environments, completely stop natural selection, and breed them for specific patterns and morphs.

~Maggot