Finally saw the wrath of my burm - Page 4

**millertime89** · 04-18-12, 10:27 PM

So you're gonna for sure start feeding in the enclosure? Not only is this about your safety, but the snake's safety and the status of the community.

I'm pulling for you to get your benefits that you deserve. Its crap what you're being put through for serving our country.

jaleely · 04-18-12, 10:32 PM

You could always switch to newspaper or something for substrate.
And as for refreezing, it's not really a problem. Pythons and constrictors can eat already dead and decomposing flesh. Thawing and refrreezing doesn't hurt the food item, and though it may stink after a while, any harmful bacteria that may be present is killed by the freezing process. Facts.

KORBIN5895 · 04-18-12, 10:36 PM

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Originally Posted by millertime89

So you're gonna for sure start feeding in the enclosure? Not only is this about your safety, but the snake's safety and the status of the community.

I'm pulling for you to get your benefits that you deserve. Its crap what you're being put through for serving our country.

Is anyone else starting to see a pattern? Huh? Anyone? Kingsnakechris?

RandyRhoads · 04-18-12, 10:41 PM

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Originally Posted by millertime89

So you're gonna for sure start feeding in the enclosure? Not only is this about your safety, but the snake's safety and the status of the community.

I'm pulling for you to get your benefits that you deserve. Its crap what you're being put through for serving our country.

Yes. Would have been easier from the start but I thought it was too small, and the substrate was a risk for impaction.

**millertime89** · 04-18-12, 11:01 PM

Good deal, and like Jaleely said, if you're still concerned about impaction you could always switch to newspaper. 4 or 5 layers is enough to keep any piss from making it stick, usually.

RandyRhoads · 04-18-12, 11:09 PM

When using newspaper how do you insulate the head pad? I guess a rheostat is mandatory without substrate?

**millertime89** · 04-18-12, 11:14 PM

Just turn it down, set surface temp to 88* or whatever you want the basking spot to be. No need to insulate it as long as its not directly in the enclosure.

**millertime89** · 04-18-12, 11:15 PM

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Originally Posted by KORBIN5895

Is anyone else starting to see a pattern? Huh? Anyone? Kingsnakechris?

And yes, its been going on for a regrettably long time.

reptile65 · 04-19-12, 07:58 AM

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Originally Posted by jaleely

You could always switch to newspaper or something for substrate.
And as for refreezing, it's not really a problem. Pythons and constrictors can eat already dead and decomposing flesh. Thawing and refrreezing doesn't hurt the food item, and though it may stink after a while, any harmful bacteria that may be present is killed by the freezing process. Facts.

I would just like to point out that freezing does not actually kill bacteria. All it does is simply slow down the growth rate. Once you thaw it back out, most of the bacteria are still alive and can begin growing again.

With that being said, you should still be okay to refreeze food items. I really wouldn't do it more than once or twice though.

**Aaron_S** · 04-19-12, 08:20 AM

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Originally Posted by RandyRhoads

When using newspaper how do you insulate the head pad? I guess a rheostat is mandatory without substrate?

Always use a thermostat or other device when heating enclosures. Secondly, just because I don't fully understand, are you saying it's INSIDE the enclosure?

alessia55 · 04-19-12, 09:15 AM

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Originally Posted by RandyRhoads

When using newspaper how do you insulate the head pad? I guess a rheostat is mandatory without substrate?

A thermostat should be mandatory, regardless of what substrate you use.

Will0W783 · 04-19-12, 09:23 AM

A heating mat should also not be INSIDE the enclosure- under tank heating really doesn't work well for Burms. Burms are very heavy-bodied snakes, and often will not move for hours or days on end. Sitting on top of a very hot spot for days on end, even if it is not hot enough to burn, can cause impaction/constipation, as well as metablic disturbances. I would only ever use back heat or overhead heating for large constrictors.

Kingsnakechris · 04-19-12, 09:27 AM

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Originally Posted by KORBIN5895

Is anyone else starting to see a pattern? Huh? Anyone? Kingsnakechris?

Starting to see a pattern? Lol it's been a well known fact that ANYTHING involving military benefits takes forever! And it sucks lol

Will0W783 · 04-19-12, 09:37 AM

It absolutely sucks that you can't get your benefits in a timely matter- this country is screwed up beyond belief. I feel for you, Randy.

I know that I may come across harsh and perhaps get your guard up with some of my responses to your posts; however, you have to understand that quite a lot of the things you post about doing with your snakes are unhealthy for them or downright dangerous for you and the animal. I just get the general impression that you haven't put much research into a species before you buy it. Maybe I am wrong; however, the posts here concern me for your safety and the snakes' safety. You have had rattlesnakes that you took out of the wild without knowing how to feed or handle safely, a red-tailed boa that is sick and you won't take it to the vet, and now a Burm that very well might have killed you because you feed it in an unsafe manner.
Not to be rude, but I think you need to take a step back and do some more research on reptile husbandry in general and prepare your enclosures better.

I use white butcher paper for all my giants' cages. They are simply too messy for me to use a wood substrate....my Burm and retics will soak the cages with urine when they go (about once every 2 weeks for urine, once a month for feces), and if I had been using aspen or cypress I'd be changing the entire cage out twice a month, which is expensive and messy. The butcher paper is about $20 for a several-hundred-foot roll, and I cut it to size for the cages. It takes about 3 minutes to pull the snake out, remove the paper, spray down with cleaner, wipe and rinse, put new paper in and return the snake. That way you can feed it inside the enclosure without fear of it ingesting substrate. Also, the enclosure you described is more than large enough for feeding the snake in.

RandyRhoads · 04-19-12, 06:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Will0W783

I know that I may come across harsh and perhaps get your guard up with some of my responses to your posts; however, you have to understand that quite a lot of the things you post about doing with your snakes are unhealthy for them or downright dangerous for you and the animal. I just get the general impression that you haven't put much research into a species before you buy it. Maybe I am wrong; however, the posts here concern me for your safety and the snakes' safety. You have had rattlesnakes that you took out of the wild without knowing how to feed or handle safely, a red-tailed boa that is sick and you won't take it to the vet, and now a Burm that very well might have killed you because you feed it in an unsafe manner.
Not to be rude, but I think you need to take a step back and do some more research on reptile husbandry in general and prepare your enclosures better.

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Now you are more than irritating me. Do I need to put it in every d*** post that I DID get species before doing the research I should have? I was an idiot, it was too late I alread owned them and tried to fix my mistakes. I've mentioned that several times. I didn't know how to handle them? In your opinion, sure. How hard is a NorPac to hook and move to you? I think maybe you may need more training if you have that much trouble. A boa I wont take to the vet? You sure make me sound like a turd, thanks. Already had a huge discussion on it and came to the conclusion there is something genetically wrong with it. I have taken it to the vet, and spent hundreds of dollars more on vet visits and medication than most would. She wasn't right from the start and needed to be put down. Sorry I don't meet your expectations your highness, I's bad and I am so sorry I made mistakes.....

Geez...........