pinkie death

[drewlowe]

Next on the market:

Canned Mice- I'll be lined up for that one!!!

[Siretsap]

ok and I don't know anyone who cans their pinkies either,

but you are talking of general freezing, so there you go

[Siretsap]

Originally posted by reverendsterlin
Put a batch of green beans in a ziplock and beat it/freeze it to death, all the nutrients are still there(in the ziplock), no where else to go.

Why would I be off topic? you are the one who started with the damn veggies,.

I only told you it's not the case with frozen vegetables.

ok and I don't know anyone who cans their pinkies either,
but you are talking of genera freezing, so there you go
There I go? General freezing, sorry but I was responding to this specific post no general. Are you saying you can't or won't back your claim, you saying you were perhaps mistaken, you saying sorry Rev for dissing you? Obviously I like agruments but your seeming to try to back out without making a firm statement one way or another, you wanted to make me seem the idiot and I challenged you on it, now you want to slink out without making your point or an apology?

[Siretsap]

Omg you are such an ***,
You posted you damn ziplock bean bag comment so I only said that your bean bag wouln't have as much nutriments as a can of vegetables. And I even posted the webcite that proved it. So you swallow your damn pill or shove it where I think,

[Siretsap]

And take any frozen item, when you let it thaw, juices extract from this item so you loose part of the nutriments.
Even if your mouse is a closed system , like you said, you will still loose nutriments when you thaw it, either by putting it in hot water, or letting it thaw on your counter, either way, it will loose nutriments by the juices that will come out of it.
try it, take a mice, freeze it, and then take it out to thaw it, Oh my! there is a wet spot where it was standing, hummm wonder waht that is?! a closed system that had a leak!!!!

[Siretsap]

Originally posted by reverendsterlin
funny a closed system (the animals body) doesn't allow loss. Sorry marylyn101 but your statement makes absolutely no sense and is wrong. Put a batch of green beans in a ziplock and beat it/freeze it to death, all the nutrients are still there(in the ziplock), no where else to go.

Also, you say I tried to make you look like an idiot, well I wonder who's statment was worse, yours telling her she had nonsense or mine right below yours???
I was polite but you are a dummy.

well again my ziplocked green beans were never blanched, you haven't posted any proof that freezing degrades nutrition in any way, and this 'dummy' has a whole lot more education than you do. Here we sit, back your claim that freezing mice degrades nutrition, you seem to avoid that and doing it the first time I asked you to would have prevented most of these posts. Again I say you have stated your opinion as fact, back it up and this ends with my apologies.

oh to clarify my education, BA sociology, BA psychology, MA education(with a sociology minor). Wouldn't want you to think I was blowing smoke.

[northernsnake]

I think your little wet spot is more the result of a frozen animal and warm air i.e condinsayshun like a hot breath on glass!!..............leaking LOL...........is that how you spell condinsayshun?

[Siretsap]

http://waltonfeed.com/self/nutrdehy.html

frozen foods loose 30 to 60percent of their nutritional values.

so we were both wrong.
bot items do loose nutriment values.
and yes the condensation thing is true, but the water came from
the rupture of the cells, most liquids, when frozen will expand, thus your cells breaking. this is why at the moment we cannot freeze a live human body and thaw him live again, too bad for Walt disney.

[northernsnake]

Any budy have a scale we could settle this.

[C.m.pyrrhus]

Fact of the matter is that you will lose nutrients no matter how you cut it. Rarely is anything given 'fresh', unless you kill it or pick it yourself. If you take something as fresh as you can, the best way for the common person to store it is by freezing. Canned goods after time release minerals and vitamins as well. Not like you are going to use up the water within the can as part of the diet (being that is where a lot of the nutrients are now).

For instance, those that keep iguanas. They feed their lil' lizards a diet of foliage. Foliage (greens) will spoil rather quickly in a fridge, if the produce is not used up fast enough. The light, air and moisture in this environment within the fridge will destroy nutritional content rapidly. If it were divided up and froze, it would have much more nutritional content as the stuff in the fridge after the same amount of time. Frozen produce/food does not break down as fast. And true, cells do break down when froze. Yet, we are talking about minerals and vitamins here, not cells.

Anyhow, back to part of the subject. To sum it all up. Best way to assure that your food is best over time is to freeze it. Buy fresh, prepare and freeze if need be. This way you know what is in your food content. Or, simply raise your own and offer it fresh if you can.

[Siretsap]

your cells are what contains your vitamins and minerals,

http://www.exoticflock.com/parent_diet.htm
There are breeders who frown on freezing soft food citing that nutrients are lost. However, human nutrition research indicates that nutritional loss during freezing is minimal as long as the freezing takes place quickly.

http://www.xenicalmd.com/weight_loss...ght_loss_tips8
Does freezing affect the nutritional value of food?
No, freezing does not affect the nutritional value of food nor does it affect the protein value of meats such as chicken and fish.

http://www.cfsan.fda.gov/~dms/qa-sto2.html
Does freezing affect the level of nutrients contained in foods?
Fortunately, the freezing process itself does not reduce nutrients, and, for meat and poultry products, there is little change in protein value during freezing.

Research Findings on the Application of Warming and Freezing
Imme W. Kersten, Dr. Sita R. Tatini, Kaushik Subramanian
Increased research devoted to finding...
Freeze/thawing as a viable method
little start-up capital compared to pasteurization
minimal to no nutritional loss possibly no change in sensory characteristics i.e taste, smell, appearance

http://mailman.u.washington.edu/pipe...il/004015.html
Freezing is a very efficient method of preserving the nutritional value,
texture and flavour of many vegetables. Most vitamins will keep well in
frozen vegetables. Carotene (a compound that is converted to vitamin A in
the body) may actually be better preserved in frozen produce because
packaging keeps the vegetables away from light (which destroys carotene).
For example, frozen peas typically have about 60% more carotene than 'fresh'
peas (that have been exposed to light during their trip to the market and
while awaiting sale).
http://www.vegetarianorganiclife.com/7.htm
On the other hand, cooking and freezing certain plant food can provide more nutrients and make more nutrients available to the body. Broadly speaking, frozen fruit and vegetables can be just as nutritious as fresh. Nutrient losses in frozen vegetables are not necessarily due to freezing but to the blanching process of vegetables that usually happens before freezing. The loss of nutrients in vegetables during blanching is not more significant than loss of nutrients due to cooking.

I could go on and on but this thread has lost it's appeal as has the silly argument on nutrition, believe how you want to believe but bottom line is no one has proven freezing changes nutrition, and a lot of reseach says it doesn't.