Bicept size guys... or girls...

[Piebald Guy]

You do what you do in life for yourself first. If you bodybuild for others you will quit. If you bodybuild to "attract" someone else you deserve what you get. Trust me there's a 99% chance of that.

Steroids are not dangerous contary to popular misconceptions. Everything in moderation. Testostorone (certain esters) are safe and will actually improve your health for the first 12 weeks or so then it flip flops. Side effects (both negative and positive) are determined purely on three aspects.....

Chemical used (what is the steroid ie: test proprionate is VERY safe yet oxymetholone is EXTREMELY unsafe long term. By the way, both are derived from test).

Doseage used (how much you take of it. Only so much test (or any other substance) can be absorbed by the body from the blood stream. The extenuous amounts are just urinated out)

Duration used (how long you take them. The pituitary gland realizes and starts to shut down natural test production about 21 days after you start taking say test which is the most popular and cheapest steroid out there (and effective too)

To sum up in layman's terms. Steroids are like alcohol. You can buy Labbat 0.5% at the grocery store, drink two cases of it and get behind the wheel without problem. Or you can buy Bicardi 151 proof rum (75.5%alcohol by volume) drink four ounces and be BOMBED. Same deal with juice you can buy oxandrolone (Anavar) and stay on it year round without many negative side effects while you can take oxymethonlone (Anadrol) one tablet a day for 21 days and gain 21lbs. I have seen it along with the increadible strength gains. I have also known a 29 year old man that now has bloody leasions in his liver and is garenteed to develop liver cancer within the next few years.

This is a huge topic which took me years to learn. But before I EVER stuck a needle in my bum I found out what I was doing and did it the right way (full blood tests along the way). You should be educated on the topic BEFORE you start. There are too many fools out there like the 29 year old I know that don't have a clue what they are doing to themselves. The only thing they know is I stick myself and I get big and strong. STUPID, STUPID, STUPID

Check my previous posts about car audio. In that situation you just get called a fool and idiot for being ignorant and acting upon what little information be it true or untrue you have. With steroids you ruin your heath and suffer if you act upon ignorant views. I'm not saying you need a master's in chemistry but you should know biochemically what is going on in addition to much more information which is important if you value your body.

When you educate yourself on the topic you find out things which help you such as anabolic steroids only work anabolically for 14 days in the body after that they work anti-catabolically.

Enough typing. Email me if you want more information.

Thx
Dave

Sorry about the spelling mistakes. Lost word on my computer. Stinkin bug.

[mykee]

Amen.

[GI Joe]

Speaking of making money with muscles:

I saw an email years ago that talked about how much money Michael Jordan makes, including how much he made while tieing his shoes, taking a leak ect.

When they went through the entire email they then said that Bill Gates could lose as much as MJ had 100 times over and still not be broke.

Brains, Brawn - I take the brains and buy off the brawny guys girlfriend. LOL

Jeff

[Sunrunner]

Brains vs brawn eh? Well I would hardly consider Mike the representive of brawn but of course brains are more important and after reading these posts I'm doubt;ing a few of you have any brains. Usually people who diss body builders and strength athletes ae lazy, fat ignorant people who find it easier to diss people who work out then actually get in shape themselves...it is they who are compensating for something. All of a sudden every in shape person on earth is using juice and vain. Beliave me there are just as many people as vain about their intellect as there are those vain about their bodies. Bodybuilding is a sport and in my opinion the most demanding/unrewarding sport there is. As for those who think bodybuilders work out toimpress others...get your head on straight...most people don't even like muscular people and every body builder knows it. Your views are rather ignorant. As an excercise professional I say this actually knowing what I'm talking about this is debate I have had with many people, for those of you training and loving it please write me and I can help you out with your program for those of you who think training is an ego thing...throw away your make-up and nice clothes....or are those "just for you"...thats what I thought...shut-up. By the way good point on the juice Piebald Guy although it's a little more complicated then how you made it sound but I know u know that. Anybody need help with training or got questions on juice you can write me. Training is good for you mentally and physically and the rare people who have the body and brains, well the have the best package. Don't diss just because you don't got it. That's not vainity it's envy.

[gonesnakee]

Here's an interesting tidbit. One of my buddies used to have such big pipes that he could no longer wipe his own @ss (& yes he was on the juice to get that big). He used to have to shower everytime after using the washroom because of it. After he got off the juice things went back to normal, but there was a few months where he couldn't do it by himself without showering. I think that some people obviously get too carried away when it comes to the Roids. Another buddy of mine used to bench 450lb when he was on the crap & now 10 years later the guy can barely help ya lift a heavy couch without whining about it. People wonder why I have no respect for Roid Monkeys LOL Mark

P.S. oh I forgot to mention all the time buddy got/did for assaults as a direct result of too much testostrone (sp) in his system & not being able to control those "pipes". Push becomes shove quick when you are all juiced up. Ah strikers & bouncers, gotta love em, not!

[Linds]

Well said, Kim!

[Sunrunner]

You would be suprised at how many people use roids not all of them go to the extreme. Nearly every sports player uses roids of one type or another but more then that studies show nearly ten times as many normal trainers then athletes use the juice. I have respect for any that puts in the thousands of hours of work it takes to build a body like that not to mention the strenous diets they go through. There is a alot of people who don't deserve respect roid user or not. I have no respect for people who insult life styles different then their own or people who complain about being fat then stop at the next McDonalds. As for the guy who couldn't wipe his *** well he should have incorperated a stretching program into his training like the rest of us "roid monkeys". Roids make you grow faster and thus your larger muscles tighten restricting flexability the proverbial "muscle bound" easily negated by daily stretching. "Roid Monkey" by the way is pretty insulting considering two guys who are probably better men then you have confessed to using roids on this board already and your calling them monkeys. It seems that unfortunately some people don't have brains or brawn. Many, many chemical using athletes are good hard working people with families and hobbies like anyone else. It's not like you take juice and bam your huge...it's work and dedication and diet and genetics. You don't got it in the genes roids can't give it to you. Anyway I don't want to get into this on a reptile board you got negative crap to say about body builders then say it on getbig.com or keep it to yourself. No one wants to be insulted and no one wants be called a monkey. "Sissy Man" LOL

[Sunrunner]

P.S Mark "roid rage" is a myth your buddy was already an aggressive person the test just like booze gave him the false bravodo to let it out. I nor any of my juice using clients have ever had a roid rage...how about you Dave? Roid rage is bull ****. An excuse for a violent **** head to act out.

[Sunrunner]

By the way these posts were written by Kim's husband, Brent. A trained excersise professional and expert on body building supplemests, training, diest and chemicals.

[GI Joe]

This has been an interesting discussion. I think I'll start giving my ball python steroids. (My lame attempt to bring the discussion back to snakes).

Imagine Chuck's Cane Brake on Steroids or maybe a big Anaconda. Boggles the mind (Small as Sunrunner thinks mine is).

All in good fun friends, all in good fun.

Jeff

[Piebald Guy]

Nope, no real rages. Test is a funny thing. It does work, for everyone, every time, bar none, period (to dispel any myths, testostrone in ethier male or female will definatly produce effects given a few things.... )

Euphoria

Got it within two days of first admisteration. Test cypyonate 200mg/ml, 1 ml every 3 days for 30 days. Goldline. Reasonable dosage. A doctor would give this to almost anyone pre-86, the Ben Johnson affair. And the doctor would prescribe it for 3 months not 30 days. Test gave a real feeling of euphoria. A heightend sence of awareness, happiness, sadness. An enhancement or amplification if you will. This includes aggression.

Aggression

Got that a bit. You need to remember that if something bothers you now then on the sauce it will amplify it. If you lack self control then rages happen. Timid people become more outgoing, shy people start dating more. Again reasonable doseage. I know guys (early 20's) that enjoyed going out to bars to intimidate people. Idiots. They also take approx 1200-1500mg/week of various products (including oxymetholone and test suspension, which I have tried and it elevated my blood pressure (bp) up to 160 over 110 which is pretty high relaxed. Only the suspension not the Anadrol)

Few others like huge temporary sex drive, depression after discontinuation until the body's natural hormonal axis gets back on line and reverse anorexia which is common. I suffer from it as well even to this day and will for the rest of my life.

In short my health was great before, during and after my short experiences. First cylce (200mg/ml test cyp every 3 days for 30 days) gave me 30lbs in the 30 days. From 161lbs at 5'11" to 191lbs. Arms from 12.5" to 16". You must remember the MOST IMPORTANT FACTORS to weight and mustle gains.

Food

I ate 10,000 calories PER DAY. I am exomorphic (thin frame, bones and frame) therefore could never gain weight no matter how much I ate. Six full supper style plates of food per day plus three or four BIG shakes. Gotta eat. Included alot of McD's as well but that's only because of the quick metabolism. Wouldn't recommend it. Same with alcohol. Keep it in moderation

Training

Watch a body builder work out. At the end of the set he's almost puking with exhaustion. There is only so hard you can work out. Unfortuneately that's the way I must always workout, when you do the juice you will train that way and it is almost impossible to stop even if your clean. If your clean you WILL overtrain NO MATTER how much you eat, sleep or have some guy jump up and down telling you, you can. They are LIEING or IGNORANT. Then you will quit the gym and lifting. I did many times and haven't been there in two or three years now. But I did keep ALOT of strength. Can still deadlift 315lbs for a few at any given time. Whatever you are genetically gifted at you will gain INCREADIBLE strength and size. Whatever you are genetically weak at will do the same thing just not to the same degree. It is dramatic, I have excellent genetics for my back and shoulders. I just look at a bottle of juice and my shoulders grow a bigger cap and my back starts getting wider. After you discontinue your genetically gifted mustles will retain ALOT of their stenght for YEARS to come whether you train or not. Whatever you are genetically weak in will lose all that size and strength (well most of the strength) and it is DRAMATIC!!!!

Enought typing for now, agian no ms word so forgive sp mistakes.

Dave

[Sunrunner]

Good points Dave you should join the rest of us "juice monkeys" on GetBig.com but the real point in this thread was solid snakes bicepdevelopment. You did a great job man and don't let anybody get you down or insult what your doing you want to work out and build a good body then do it don't let some fat lazy pricks drag you down alot of people appreciate a good body and by the sounds of your progress you may quite gentically gifted so go with it and make the best body you can and you'll be happier and healthier for it. I garuntee. Like i said you need any help with any aspect of training contact me. Congrats. By the way you must be awful small framed to have started with 7" arms. when I started training mine were 17". Thats probably why they had such dramtic growth...maybe you were very underwieght, plus are you using creatine if so your bi's are probably pumped with water and that would account for alot the huge size. Did the rest of your physique grow that dramtically?

[Snakey Acres]

Any one see Survivor last night? Pretty much sums up my opinion of Muscle freaks!!

[killaclown]

23" around when flexing

[gonesnakee]

Hi all, well this is way too carried away for me & I am just letting ya all no that I'm not trying to degrade you or anything ie: roid monkey its just like I call smokers buttwoofers. I'm here to poke fun & you people who are true to yourselves & your bodies do deserve respect for your efforts. I do think people get way too carried away, like the examples I gave of things I've seen. Thus why I call them guys Roid Monkeys. I do use it as a general stereotypical term here, but I'm here poking fun at ya's so don't be offended too badly. If ya are Oh well lighten up or maybe ya are on too much juice LOL ; ) Mark