Hello to everyone!

[Selena_23]

Originally Posted by fedeCF

They are all great looking snakes, especially your bcc! Good luck with your breeding project Selena!

Grazie mille !

[Albert Clark]

She is truly a great specimen. Grats.

[Selena_23]

Look at her!)))

[Selena_23]

My NEW pet snake)

Ball Python Cinnamon 1.0 2015

[Albert Clark]

Very nice Selena! Did you get him from a reputable breeder? I thought cinnamons had a black stripe down their back usually?

[RAD House]

Albert, I do not think black back is a characteristic of the cinnamon morph. He certainly looks like a cinnamon to me.

[Albert Clark]

I thought he looked more like a black pastel.. Just went to wobp and saw the example of cinnamon and they certainly have a black stripe on the back. trying to upload the link now.

[RAD House]

Just because the animal has a black back does not mean it is part of the morph description. Black pastel and cinnamon are very similar morphs with cinnamon having somewhat cleaner alien heads and showing more reds than yellow tinting in the light browns.

[Albert Clark]

Originally Posted by MesoCorney

Albert, I do not think black back is a characteristic of the cinnamon morph. He certainly looks like a cinnamon to me.

MC, black back is a different morph. The cinammon morph is distinguishable from a normal typically by a "black or dark brown " stripe on their backs. Anyway i am having difficulty getting the link to WOBP pics of the cinnamon morph.

[RAD House]

You are referring to genetic black back, black back can also be used describe an animal that is lacking a light dorsal striping regardless if it genetic or not. It is a bit confusing for sure. Both cinnamons and black pastels can be characterized by their darker than normal coloration, but this can not always be relied on because normals can be quite variable and there are other dark morphs. The combination of a darker animal with an increased number of smaller alien heads is the best way to identify these two morphs. Then to tell the difference between black pastel and cinnamon refer to my earlier post.

[Albert Clark]

Originally Posted by MesoCorney

You are referring to genetic black back, black back can also be used describe an animal that is lacking a light dorsal striping regardless if it genetic or not. It is a bit confusing for sure. Both cinnamons and black pastels can be characterized by their darker than normal coloration, but this can not always be relied on because normals can be quite variable and there are other dark morphs. The combination of a darker animal with an increased number of smaller alien heads is the best way to identify these two morphs. Then to tell the difference between black pastel and cinnamon refer to my earlier post.

Well, no bc you began referring to it as a "black back". I called it as it is defined , a black or dark brown stripe on the back of the cinnamon morph. I know about "dinkers" and their variability. It's actually not that confusing, taking into account the alien heads and the coloration people will still disagree on a classification from time to time and if it was sold to her as a cinnamon and she is happy with that then that's what really counts.

[Albert Clark]

Originally Posted by MesoCorney

You are referring to genetic black back, black back can also be used describe an animal that is lacking a light dorsal striping regardless if it genetic or not. It is a bit confusing for sure. Both cinnamons and black pastels can be characterized by their darker than normal coloration, but this can not always be relied on because normals can be quite variable and there are other dark morphs. The combination of a darker animal with an increased number of smaller alien heads is the best way to identify these two morphs. Then to tell the difference between black pastel and cinnamon refer to my earlier post.

Additionally, i will defer to the literature for differences in morphs and classifications and not someones opinion in a post.

[RAD House]

My opinion is taken directly from literature and has little to no influence of my personal feelings on the subject. Personally I do not feel I have been in the hobby long enough to form my own opinions on such a complex topic. In no description I have read is a cinnamon said to have a solid black dorsal stripe. Unless you show me where exactly you read this, the I am going to say you probably misunderstood the description. This snake is in my opinion a great example of a cinnamon ball python.

[Albert Clark]

Originally Posted by MesoCorney

My opinion is taken directly from literature and has little to no influence of my personal feelings on the subject. Personally I do not feel I have been in the hobby long enough to form my own opinions on such a complex topic. In no description I have read is a cinnamon said to have a solid black dorsal stripe. Unless you show me where exactly you read this, the I am going to say you probably misunderstood the description. This snake is in my opinion a great example of a cinnamon ball python.

This is a picture of a cinnamon off WOBP. I absolutely did not misunderstand the description. Selenas' ball python is not very similar to this nonetheless is a very handsome.

[Albert Clark]

CINNAMON
This is also a picture of a cinnamon from WOBP.