First Fresh Kill experience (WARNING - graphic detail) - Page 4

Lisa · 08-23-03, 03:12 PM

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Originally posted by MouseKilla
For the record, I still use the whacking method because I feel that if you must kill the rodent yourself, like in the case of left overs or big nasty rats that can potentially hurt the snake, whacking is still better than gassing which I feel is worse than anything next to death by a thousand cuts.

With gassing the rodent feels nothing but sleepy... Try it for your self, run a tube from your car exaust to your window, start her up and get in... Carbon Dioxide is considered a silent killer because there is no warning other then being tired. No odor, no taste, no colour, no fits of coughing, no pain. It over rides any self preservation mechanism your body has because the body doesn't know it's dieing. I've watched the rodents die. they take a couple breaths, pass out, then die.

I'd sooner take a gassing then be thrown through the air against the wall, hit with a hammer, had my head twisted off, or the other more physical means of death.

MouseKilla · 08-23-03, 03:26 PM

whoa..... you're.....right....I'm feeling a little....light headed.... should I pull over? other drivers are looking at me funny.... I must admit this is better than when Dad used to throw me into the wall on report card day. Ok, your turn. I have this old deep freeze down in my basement I'm not using how 'bout you come over, I'll plug it in and grab some patio slabs from out back, you know, to keep the lid down while yer in there. I hear freezing to death is actually quite pleasant. I must say this is the most fun I've ever had in any forum. Anywhere else no one seems to want to talk about the best ways to kill rodents, or yourself for that matter. Well maybe like a Marilyn Manson web site but who wants to talk to those people?

Linds · 08-23-03, 03:28 PM

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Originally posted by KrokadilyanGuy3
Why would that be the case? A smaller area would be fairly easy to keep clean and sterile

You have proven my point. In nature nothing is cleaned and kept sterile.. far from it. This is why you need the large open spaces so nothing becomes concentrated, hence leading to parasitic concentrations which will lead to sick animals.

KrokadilyanGuy3 · 08-23-03, 03:42 PM

Ah ha. I see your point now.
Was a bit groggy the firsttime around.
Xain

Mike177 · 08-23-03, 03:54 PM

killing rodents is not a fun thing but it has to be done, weather u buy them frozen or live they die in some way at sometime. when i first got my snake i could not, and i would not kill a mouse. no if ands or buts about it. but i guess as you go on you grow a calus to killing. probly not a good thing for some people but what must be done must be done. now that i buy rabbits i have to kill them myself. (and i dont like doing i just let on of my freinds do it) cuz with the rabbits you have to grab there head and swing them back in one quick jerking motion. and heads have come right off them before.

but it is just something you have to do if you want to keep snakes. i dont love killing but i love keeping snakes.

Invictus · 08-23-03, 04:45 PM

Well, MouseKilla, you are on the right board. Luckily for you, there are plenty of breeders here who can help you replenish your stock of snakes when they get killed by your "humane" way of feeding.

And for the record, the twitching you see the mouse doing after you whack it is a normal nervous response for all creatures, including humans. It does not mean the mouse is still alive.

Also for the record, if you think that giving a snake prekilled prey is robbing them of their instincts, you should wait until I have the digital video of my snakes feeding. They strike and coil their prekilled mice faster and harder than some wild specimens I've seen. Besides that, snakes have a killing instinct in the wild because they HAVE to, not because they WANT to. If you think feeding your snake live prey is somehow humane, you're the one who is high, MouseKilla. Either that or you dad did whack you a little too hard on report card day.

MouseKilla · 08-23-03, 05:12 PM

Alright, fine, I'll admit to maybe being a little high, especially since I inhaled those exhaust fumes. I'm not so stoned though that I would give my snakes any prey that stood the slimmest chance of hurting them. Again, I personally do bonk when it's necessary, but I don't when it's not. A mouse stands no chance in an enclosure with a boa constrictor of a reasonable size. I'm quite aware of what that twitching business is but are you sure they are dead or unconscious and not suffering at that point? I don't know myself, Dad wasn't quite that rough. Some of my snakes go after dead prey as you described, especially my kings, they don't seem to know the difference but others look at it like it's a head of lettuce and won't touch it without lots of provocation. On an unrelated note I must ask if that is a picture of you I see there and if so were you ever in a band called Type O Negative? Thanks for starting this thread man, it's been a fun debate.

Invictus · 08-23-03, 07:33 PM

LOL... Rob Zombie, Al Snow, Jesus, now Peter Steele as well? I'm having an identity crisis here! hehehe I can impersonate Peter Steele's voice perfectly though. Just ask RedDragon. It drvies her crazy in a good way

MouseKilla · 08-23-03, 07:55 PM

hahaha I was really hoping that smartass comment wouldn't be wasted on you, I suspected it wouldn't be though. You ever see that guy live? A friend of mine did and she said he had to be like 8ft tall. He was drinking from a bottle of wine on stage and appearently it looked like a beer bottle in his hands and he also had a stand up bass on a huge guitar strap. Do you think his food is pre-killed?

AnimalLuver · 08-23-03, 08:30 PM

I just had my first experience with the kill. I was killing a small adult mouse. I held it by the tail and pinned it to the window sill (nearest hard place), by the neck with a ruler, and pulled the tail till I heard the spinal cord pop. I did feel kinda bad. Before I got into snakes (which was in the last year) I had owned mice as pets before. (although I did have a mean one latch onto my hand and make me bleed pretty good, which pissed me off so I fed it to my cats.) But other than that I never had to kill them before. I'm usually pretty stressed out, so I guess I can take out my fustrations by killing the mouse, then maybe I wont feel so bad.

Heidi
0.0.1 ball python

Invictus · 08-23-03, 10:38 PM

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Originally posted by MouseKilla
hahaha I was really hoping that smartass comment wouldn't be wasted on you, I suspected it wouldn't be though.

LOL.. never. Being the smartass that I am, I would never make you waste a comment.

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You ever see that guy live? A friend of mine did and she said he had to be like 8ft tall.

6'9" actually. But yeah, he's a beast.

reptilesalonica · 08-24-03, 02:48 AM

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i dont love killing but i love keeping snakes.

Me too pal, but when you breed your own rodents, then you must do the dirty job.
We, city people, don't realize what it means to eat burgers (talking for all and for my self)...
And having to kill an animal, suddenly becomes a problem...
But...this is the only way to feed ourselves or our snakes...
By killing.
~Greg~

MouseKilla · 08-24-03, 05:54 PM

seems obvious doesn't it? meat = dead animals. No way around it. We can argue all day about the least cruel way to get it done, I think that is what most of us are aiming for regardless of what we believe that method is. We also all want the best thing for the animals that we are feeding, though we have different beliefs regarding what that means. The one inescapable truth is that rodents must die for snakes to live. We might not like that it must be that way but it's how it is. When we humans eat we have a choice of killing an animal or destroying habitats and killing animals indirectly through agriculture. It's the grim, meat hook reality of life. For one organism to live others must die. Aren't I just a ray of sunshine? Buy the frozen feeders and hit the drive-thru and try not to think about it, that's my suggestion. It won't change a damn thing but maybe you won't turn out to be the bitter, negative jerk I've become.

Linds · 08-24-03, 09:25 PM

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Originally posted by MouseKilla
. A mouse stands no chance in an enclosure with a boa constrictor of a reasonable size. I'm

There's no doubt the mouse is gonna die, though it may stand no chance against its predator, it can still get a last word in

*still bitter at the ant that bit her tongue*

MouseKilla · 08-24-03, 09:50 PM

It not only hasn't a chance at survival but a mouse doesn't know what hit it. My boa waits in ambush and then damn near drives the thing through the side of the tank when it hits. I'll give you that rats are mean, horrid creatures that shouldn't be given the opportunity to sink their filthy teeth into my snakes, and they never are. I stun them up good style with a chunk of wood, which also works well for disciplining the cat (JK!). But mice?? I don't see how. Maybe if you put it up against a newborn corn snake. Mice are like foul smelling marshmellows with little legs and whiskers. I've certainly never seen one put up anything close to a fight with any of my snakes, if I did my live feeding days would come to a quick end and I may lose any respect I have for snakes as predators. Have you ever seen or even heard of this happening?