Good display animal for a 20L

[Squirtle]

Originally Posted by poison123

Youtube is also one of the last places i would look for info. Did the enclosures you see have enough substrate and hiding spots for them to hide? Or were they all water? (I've seen people put them in all water enclosures and say they are active)

lol

[Chu'Wuti]

It's not exactly accurate to say there's no such thing as toads. What is correct is that all toads are frogs, but not all frogs are toads unless you want to be 100% accurate scientifically. As we commonly use common names on this forum, it's really OK to differentiate, but it's definitely nice to know that there's no scientific difference.

If we're differentiating based on common usage, frogs and toads are in the same kingdom, phylum, class, and order (the order of frogs), but they are in different families.

Kingdom: Animalia
Phylum: Chordata
Class: Amphibia
Order: Anura

Bufonidae is the family that is considered to be "true toads;" Bombinatoridae is a separate family, so not one of the "true" toads.

That being said, however, Bombina orientalis have been called "Fire-bellied Toads" for so long that getting most people to change to calling them "Fire-bellied Frogs" will be very difficult.

What I find most interesting about this kind of thing is how current scientific research is informing and reorganizing so many flora and fauna taxonomically; what we think we know seems to be changing nearly every day at times!

[Corey209]

In my opinion, one skink per 40 gallon. I have my pair of BTS in the 60 and I feel like that's no where near enough room for them even though it appears to be working.

But from what I've seen Croc skinks are known to be shy up to a year before even coming out to see humans and they do hide a lot.

[DragonsEye]

Originally Posted by Chu'Wuti

It's not exactly accurate to say there's no such thing as toads. What is correct is that all toads are frogs, but not all frogs are toads unless you want to be 100% accurate scientifically.

Which I do.

Originally Posted by Chu'Wuti

As we commonly use common names on this forum, it's really OK to differentiate, but it's definitely nice to know that there's no scientific difference.

I do understand your point of common usage distinctions, and have no great angst associated with the usage of such (most times at least ... there are a few here and there that drive me nuts ), But I do feel that too often people get mislead by such things as common names and common usage distinctions. Hence, my pointing out -- really as just an FYI sort of thing -- an issue with a "toad" moniker.

Originally Posted by Chu'Wuti

What I find most interesting about this kind of thing is how current scientific research is informing and reorganizing so many flora and fauna taxonomically; what we think we know seems to be changing nearly every day at times!

And some of those changes are flips back into a group from which just a short time ago the organism had been removed. The orchid world is a prime example.

[Chu'Wuti]

Originally Posted by DragonsEye

Which I do.




I do understand your point of common usage distinctions, and have no great angst associated with the usage of such (most times at least ... there are a few here and there that drive me nuts ), But I do feel that too often people get mislead by such things as common names and common usage distinctions. Hence, my pointing out -- really as just an FYI sort of thing -- an issue with a "toad" moniker.




And some of those changes are flips back into a group from which just a short time ago the organism had been removed. The orchid world is a prime example.

Yes, the orchid world is definitely a good example! There are many others, too, and your point is an excellent one. Guess I need to start habituating myself to say "FBF" or Fire-bellied frog and specify Bombina orientalis; it's a good habit to get into!