starting a rescue - Page 3

Zoo Nanny · 11-12-12, 03:42 PM

Some of the best rescues in the US started out as homemade rescues including Best Friends Animal Society, New England Exotic Animal Sanctuary and Central Virginia Parrot Sanctuary just to name a couple.

StudentoReptile · 11-12-12, 04:22 PM

To say breeders are the cause is not entirely accurate. Yes, that is where a lot of the animals come from, along with wild caught imports. But the main problem is people simply getting pets and not taking the time to learn how to care for them. Occasionally, life choices are made, living situations change, money situations fluctuate, causing one's ability to keep a particular pet to vary as well.

EmbraceCalamity · 11-12-12, 04:24 PM

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Originally Posted by StudentoReptile

To say breeders are the cause is not entirely accurate. Yes, that is where a lot of the animals come from, along with wild caught imports. But the main problem is people simply getting pets and not taking the time to learn how to care for them. Occasionally, life choices are made, living situations change, money situations fluctuate, causing one's ability to keep a particular pet to vary as well.

...And all of those pets come from breeders.

~Maggot

StudentoReptile · 11-12-12, 04:44 PM

Not wild caught ones.

Or by "breeders" are you simply referring to parent animals, not the human being that deliberately pairs them up in captivity? If so, then yes, you are correct (duh!).

[most of the time, when herpers use the term, it is referring to the latter!]

EmbraceCalamity · 11-12-12, 04:48 PM

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Originally Posted by StudentoReptile

Not wild caught ones.

Or by "breeders" are you simply referring to parent animals, not the human being that deliberately pairs them up in captivity? If so, then yes, you are correct (duh!).

[most of the time, when herpers use the term, it is referring to the latter!]

The latter. And WC beardies are rare - if even in existence.

~Maggot

StudentoReptile · 11-12-12, 04:52 PM

Okay then, if you were using the term "breeders" as people, and not the animals themselves, then your earlier statement is untrue.

Mean what you say and say what you mean.

EmbraceCalamity · 11-12-12, 04:54 PM

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Originally Posted by StudentoReptile

Okay then, if you were using the term "breeders" as people, and not the animals themselves, then your earlier statement is untrue.

Mean what you say and say what you mean.

Lolwut.

~Maggot

StudentoReptile · 11-12-12, 04:59 PM

You said all pets came from breeders (captive propagation). That is not true. Some come from wild populations.

**Aaron_S** · 11-12-12, 05:09 PM

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Originally Posted by StudentoReptile

To say breeders are the cause is not entirely accurate. Yes, that is where a lot of the animals come from, along with wild caught imports. But the main problem is people simply getting pets and not taking the time to learn how to care for them. Occasionally, life choices are made, living situations change, money situations fluctuate, causing one's ability to keep a particular pet to vary as well.

I'll agree with you on the WC part but less and less animals are being brought in as WC.

I know a large chain of pet stores uses a single breeder to supply most of their normal ball pythons.

EmbraceCalamity · 11-12-12, 05:31 PM

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Originally Posted by StudentoReptile

You said all pets came from breeders (captive propagation). That is not true. Some come from wild populations.

Okay, the vast majority come from breeders. Perhaps you missed it, but I then said: "And WC beardies are rare - if even in existence." I also said, "It's just an unusual combination because most people who rescue animals realise that there isn't a need for more of them (especially something so common as beardies)..." As she is breeding beardies, I was talking about beardies, which is what I said. And since Oz has a ban on exporting any reptiles, that only proves my point.

~Maggot

miya · 11-12-12, 06:08 PM

Aaron S- i did my research i do know what i can and can not do...do you live in maine? just because YOU say i cant does not make it truth LOL and as much as you may not like me to be able to do both i CAN and am.

Mykee- most not all but most home rescues do take in reptiles and forget or just down right dont want to rehome the animal or they are hoarders that think they are helping when in fact they are not so i have to agree with most of what you said

Embracecalamity- you cant just blame the breeders and be done with it, do i think all breeders are correct in the way they do things no. do i think its all there fault that individuals buy these snakes and cant care for them no. it is the fault of the person who purchased the animal to have enough common intelligence to say hey theres a problem maybe i should look for a new home for my pet. or to get in touch with local reptile keepers and see if anyone can assist until they get back on there feet. that has nothing to do with the breeders and for someone who probably keeps and has reptiles that btw probably came from a breeder you probably shouldnt be hating on them to much or you wouldnt have any...just sayin

miya · 11-12-12, 06:19 PM

Aaron s- if in a few yrs if i lose my passion for breeding then so be it, but as of now the only thing ive lost my passion for is dealing with the owners of the poorly taken care of reptiles

i do things to help people out..heat lamps food ect if someone lost there job or fell on hard times i would help them rehome the animal without it having to come here.

and there is also a rescue in NH that takes in the larger reptiles

now at this point this post has become a rant for certain people i will no longer be posting on it but anyone who wants to continue there discussions with me about whats right and wrong feel free to msg me i do enjoying seeing other peoples points of view when they take the time to actually post facts instead of assumptions

..sorry just tired of scrolling through posts to find ones that arent just complaining or bickering

mykee · 11-12-12, 06:41 PM

If you don't tighten up your quarantine, eventually you'll get something that rips through your entire collection.
I can guarantee that 100%.

jaleely · 11-12-12, 10:28 PM

Also miya, people post things even though you may know it (though it was pointed out that your previous post did imply you were flippant about quarantine, even though you have now explained you are not) so that anyone searching or reading the forum will have all of the important information in one place. It's not just for you, it's you asking and others giving you knowledge, and it's all shared.

Please don't take it as an offense. When i started looking things up, i appreciated reading all the information in one place. Surely as a research junkie you understand that. Also you stated you understood that no one can gather all of what you mean from text, and then you even admitted to being grumpy *lol* don't take it so personally. There's nothing wrong with someone trying to give proper information, as long as it is proper.

Anyway, to get back to the topic: Quarentine good, space to do that, good, rescue good.

As to debate on whether breeding is synonymous with animals leading to rescue, it's kind of obvious it is. lol
but let's say you're rescuing dogs...it's not the same as breeding snakes, and then having a dog rescue. But yeah, i could see where breeding reptiles then rescuing them is kind of weird.

**Aaron_S** · 11-13-12, 10:12 AM

I'm not ranting for the sake of ranting. I'm putting out there all the info I've seen and gathered over the 15 years I've been around, 7 of them on this forum here. I've seen the "rescues" come and go as fast as the flippers.

All the power to you but I don't this working out in dual action with a breeding business/rescue.