Picture of Olive - Page 3

KORBIN5895 · 01-29-12, 01:03 PM

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Basically those that offered the advice have years of hands on successful experience. These Sam people have also seen dozens of dead savs and all mostly for the same reasons.

Out of curiosity how do you define an expert?

No worries Rob I covered that.

BarelyBreathing · 01-29-12, 01:18 PM

Lol, Rob, I understand.

To everybody else, I just have one more bit to say on this. I don't think I said anything inconsiderate or overly harsh (if I did, please point out exactly what). I was simply commenting on the state of the animal in the picture provided. I feel the changes I have already suggested, in this thread an the other, are completely needed to improve the health of this animal. I felt that those were everybody else's intentions, as well. It isn't like me, nor should it be, to see a picture of a failing animal and say "you're doing a great job", though that may be what they want to hear. I feel bad that this person is having such a poor experience to where he or she won't come back to get the advice that his or her animal so clearly needs. This part may be harsh, but I feel that if a person cares more about their own pride and their own feelings than their animal, they shouldn't have it.

crocdoc · 01-29-12, 03:47 PM

This whole thing could have been easily sorted out with a photo or two of the setup. The first post mentioned that the monitor was in a 15 x 5 'pen', which suggests an open top. Later a cover was mentioned, but it was 'shorter and wider' than the one on Wayne's enclosure. We still don't know if the cover seals the whole enclosure or is just a shelter over part of it.

People responding to these posts can't be expected to have read every single post everywhere on the forum and at the same time keep track of who is keeping what and in what way. If advice is given on monitor care, rather than storming off in a huff the person receiving the advice could quell all by posting a photograph (as advised above) or by saying "thanks, that's taken care of, see this post" (and provide a link). As BarelyBreathing has said, when someone's feelings get in the way of the care of their animal, there's an issue.

I can recall a thread a number of years ago in which someone posted photographs of a croc monitor in an enclosure that was barely longer than the animal itself. After three pages of 'beautiful! good job!' I seemed to be the first person to question why it was in such a small enclosure. There was uproar, as apparently that wasn't the right thing to say. It seems that for many people, online forums are a way to get verbal group hugs and keep social contact with the outside world. I hang around monitor forums to discuss monitor care. Maybe I'm weird.

Swany · 01-29-12, 03:53 PM

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Originally Posted by crocdoc

This whole thing could have been easily sorted out with a photo or two of the setup. The first post mentioned that the monitor was in a 15 x 5 'pen', which suggests an open top. Later a cover was mentioned, but it was 'shorter and wider' than the one on Wayne's enclosure. We still don't know if the cover seals the whole enclosure or is just a shelter over part of it.

People responding to these posts can't be expected to have read every single post everywhere on the forum and at the same time keep track of who is keeping what and in what way. If advice is given on monitor care, rather than storming off in a huff the person receiving the advice could quell all by posting a photograph (as advised above) or by saying "thanks, that's taken care of, see this post" (and provide a link). As BarelyBreathing has said, when someone's feelings get in the way of the care of their animal, there's an issue.

I can recall a thread a number of years ago in which someone posted photographs of a croc monitor in an enclosure that was barely longer than the animal itself. After three pages of 'beautiful! good job!' I seemed to be the first person to question why it was in such a small enclosure. There was uproar, as apparently that wasn't the right thing to say. It seems that for many people, online forums are a way to get verbal group hugs and keep social contact with the outside world. I hang around monitor forums to discuss monitor care. Maybe I'm weird.

Not at all, as you say if the person really wants what's best for there animal they have to listen to th advice being offered. A spade's a spade. A bit of tact doesn't hurt though IMO

crocdoc · 01-29-12, 04:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Swany

A bit of tact doesn't hurt though IMO

I agree. Point out where I've been tactless and I'll happily apologise.

infernalis · 01-29-12, 04:11 PM

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I agree. Point out where I've been tactless and I'll happily apologise.

I have never seen you insult anyone, except those that demanded to be insulted.

Swany · 01-29-12, 04:15 PM

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I agree. Point out where I've been tactless and I'll happily apologise.

No no crocdoc. You misunderstand me. I didn't mean you were. I was talking about people in general. Sorry for th confusion ;-)

BarelyBreathing · 01-29-12, 04:24 PM

I agree, Crocdoc. The main reason I hang around forums is to give and receive advice relating to caring for reptiles.

(By the way, Swany, love the color of your title!)

Swany · 01-29-12, 05:32 PM

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Swany can keep his in red

Just foo you i will. i kinda like the red ;-)

KORBIN5895 · 01-29-12, 05:47 PM

I just had a little pm chat with the op. She feels that she will always have to defend her post as you guys didn't really seem to read her post.

BarelyBreathing · 01-29-12, 06:01 PM

The problem is, we did. She was inconsistent the entire time, changing the story, and then she posted a picture of a monitor in scary condition. She shouldn't have to defend her posts, though. She should be able to provide pictures (best option) or consitency and description in her posts, and be able to take constructive criticism.

BarelyBreathing · 01-29-12, 06:02 PM

Nobody is out to get her, or make her look bad. We just want to make sure that the animal in question is taken care of properly. Does what I'm saying make sense?

KORBIN5895 · 01-29-12, 06:07 PM

Her camera is broken .

Yes and no. It does make sense but it all comes down to Miscommunication.

BarelyBreathing · 01-29-12, 06:14 PM

Yes, I saw that, which is why I said that consistency and details will help. None have been provided (at least not to the general understanding of all involved). None of these miscommunications will ever be solved if she runs away.

Norm66 · 01-29-12, 07:14 PM

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What's more important, the long term health of your pet or your hurt feelings? if it's the latter, then buh bye and watch that the door doesn't hit you on the way out. If it's the former, then perhaps think about why everyone keeps saying the same thing over and over again.

FWIW this post (bold mine) was what prompted my post above.

I remembered her post in the other thread about the "pen" having a lid and I had just read it casually rather than with an eye toward giving advice.

She was asked about her pen and she said it was like Wayne's except dimensionally which she explained. It was said that she had gotten a new thermometer and her temps actually were OK per the advice given and it was said that she had a humidifier. I agree that she didn't share all the necessary detail (such as how the humidifier was being used) but IMO the conclusion was jumped to that she was wrong on every count and that's what she objected to. I can understand her feeling about her posts not being read because it appeared that way to me too.

My first couple days here were pretty rough due to one particular poster who I felt was "picking on me". His advice was spot on and I knew it at that time but the fact was my snake's needs were being met in the enclosure I had him in. He brought me really close to leaving this site but luckily I was ornery enough to stick around. And of course I'm glad I did.

I believe it's common courtesy to give people the benefit of the doubt rather than assuming the worst. A little diplomacy goes a long way and if it's really the animal's best interests we have at heart running off folks that need help does not accomplish that.