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sickvenom · 04-21-11, 09:55 AM

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Originally Posted by shaunyboy

it never ceases to amaze me that folk who apply the logic that if you feed in the tank it will associate door opening with feeding time so be bitey never seem to apply the sdame logic to feeding outside the tank

it's called 'learned behavior.' it's been proven that animals (including reptiles) have some of the same psychological responses as humans. it never ceases to amaze me that folk can't seem to grasp the simple notion that our reptiles can actually learn behaviorism patterns.

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Originally Posted by shaunyboy

surely if the same logic is applied then the snake will associate getting took out its tank with food so therefore be bitey everytime you take it out (due to food association.no?)

cheers shaun

yes, that's very possible as well. it goes back to frequency of occurence.

Lankyrob · 04-21-11, 09:57 AM

If this theory of learned behaviour is true why does my retic strike the ceramics guard everytime he smells rats?

sickvenom · 04-21-11, 10:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Lankyrob

If this theory of learned behaviour is true why does my retic strike the ceramics guard everytime he smells rats?

it learned the WRONG behavior. nothing in psychology is an absolute. every living creature - human or animal - learn different patterns. that is why some feel the need to feed in a tub and some are ok with feeding in their snake's environment. feeding procedure will be determined by each individual animal. i just laugh when i hear someone say, 'snakes don't know where they're being fed and they don't know what opening a cage means.'

Jay · 04-21-11, 10:15 AM

How can you preach this much about knowing what snakes want you you don't realize your dp is a prime example of animal cruelty.
ALL my snake are fed in their vivs non strike at me when i go in there for maintenance.

citysnakes · 04-21-11, 10:19 AM

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Originally Posted by stephanbakir

Pshh, tongs are for people who are scared of having their fingers ingested

...or responsible snake keepers...

sickvenom · 04-21-11, 10:23 AM

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Originally Posted by jay0133

How can you preach this much about knowing what snakes want

i'm not preaching at all. just explaining that snakes have brains too. i'm not saying one way is better than the other. it's up to the keeper and the subject.

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you you don't realize your dp is a prime example of animal cruelty.

i couldn't decipher this message. please explain in more detail?

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Originally Posted by jay0133

ALL my snake are fed in their vivs non strike at me when i go in there for maintenance.

and that's great for YOU and YOUR snakes. other people have different experiences.

Jay · 04-21-11, 10:28 AM

So you think that is healthy for that burm or retic in your display picture?

sickvenom · 04-21-11, 10:50 AM

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Originally Posted by jay0133

So you think that is healthy for that burm or retic in your display picture?

Its a burm, and I believe the term you used was 'animal cruelty.' That's a pretty serious allegation to make, especially since you know nothing about the photo. Would I consider holding a snake up to your face animal cruelty? No. Would I consider holding a snake up to your face unhealthy for the snake? No. Anything else?

stephanbakir · 04-21-11, 10:52 AM

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Originally Posted by citysnakes

...or responsible snake keepers...

Was joking:P
That said this thread keeps deviating from food presentation to pointing fingers

sickvenom · 04-21-11, 10:58 AM

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Originally Posted by stephanbakir

Was joking:P
That said this thread keeps deviating from food presentation to pointing fingers

Feeding is one of those topics that can make for interesting discussion and debate. Unfortunately, these are also the most heated debates and some people just can't handle it. Oh well.

infernalis · 04-21-11, 10:59 AM

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Originally Posted by sickvenom

it's not about location necessarily. it's about how often you open your cage and for what purpose. if you only open it to feed, then the snake will associate your actions as 'feeding time.'

Very true,

I have snakes that will gape their mouths open the instant I open the viv.

stephanbakir · 04-21-11, 11:02 AM

Debates are great, I LOVE them!
Quick question, Do you guys breed your own feeders or buy them online/from friends?

infernalis · 04-21-11, 11:04 AM

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Originally Posted by jay0133

So you think that is healthy for that burm or retic in your display picture?

Alice Cooper has been under accusation like that forever, and it is also known that he loves and takes fantastic care of his snakes.

He has been performing on stage with his snakes forever.

Matt is it safe to say that his red tail is still doing fine after many years of being on tour?

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Originally Posted by stephanbakir

Debates are great, I LOVE them!
Quick question, Do you guys breed your own feeders or buy them online/from friends?

all of the above

I breed and order frozen, 800+ at a time.

Civil debates are awesome, debates that succumb to finger pointing and name calling are not.

stephanbakir · 04-21-11, 11:07 AM

Wish those companies like rodent pro shipped to Canada.

infernalis · 04-21-11, 11:08 AM

I love rodent pro, when they have 12 cent pinkie sales, I stock up.

all those laser pictures I posted in the random photo thread is me playing with the dry ice from a rodent pro order.

Dry ice sizzles violently when irradiated by 532nm at 150+mw. (Powerful green laser beam)