Any way to tell 100% Het Pied ? - Page 3

HumphreyBoagart · 04-02-05, 01:49 PM

I'm liking the sounds of that!
I'll check out the other ones to see how pronounced they are.
So I take it these markers are only markers for piebald and no other hets then?
Thanks for the replies, keep em comin', I need all the opinions I can get on this matter.
Thanks
Hump.
PS Good thing I didn't sell him a while back!

RandyRemington · 04-03-05, 10:43 AM

Hard to say about other morphs, I don't really have the experience with for sure hets. Pied is the only one that is well documented in the online community.

Of course if you are really serious about working toward a pied project the 100% het males are really reasonable now days so it probably doesn't make since to bank on this guy but if you are going to breed him anyway it sounds fun to find out.

BP-R-US · 04-03-05, 02:09 PM

Everything sounds really good, I was gonna get a set of Het Pieds too and this post really helps.

Thanks Guys

Spirit · 04-03-05, 02:22 PM

As previously stated though, the markers mean very little. My ball is 100% het for pied and does not have the marker, wheras a friend of mine's ball is NOT het for pied, and has the marker.

Another point though (if not already stated) is the so called marker is only "valid" (for lack of a better word) if the marker is a solid black (not grey) and the belly is white (and not off-white or grey).

I had a really good example pic, but I can't seem to find it. When I do, I'll post it here.

Edited to add picture:

I found this pic on a thread over at Fauna, but the thread is 151 pages long, so I hope the photographer doesn't mind that I'm linking hispost here as an example.

http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/foru...&postcount=594

nita · 04-03-05, 04:55 PM

My het pied does not have the marker but I trust the breeder so I know he is a het pied. When dealing with hets make sure you know who you are buying from and their reputation.

HumphreyBoagart · 04-04-05, 02:22 AM

Randy,
Thanks for the info. I was already breeding him to another black back to try and prove that out (pic of them in my gallery if your interested in seeing them), but if some pieds wanna come along for the ride, thats fine by me!

Spirit,
It IS black stripes down the side, and it IS a white belly.
Who did you get your het Piebald from?

Hump.

Thor&Dash · 04-28-05, 08:51 PM

i have recently purchased a bp with a "ringer" mark coming up from his belly. i was told that he mayproduce a "pied". Although i am not expecting anything but it would be nice. Now about the black line on the belly of the snake (as mentioned above) is it a solid line or can it be broken as well my "ringer" also has consistant black markings through out his belly ... should i be expecting more then just normal offspring?

Jay

HumphreyBoagart · 04-29-05, 02:24 AM

If he is het for piebald, he would have to be bred to either a het female or an actual piebald to get anything other than normal babies.

JCReptile · 05-09-05, 12:57 AM

Piebald is a recessive gene meaning that if the snake is het it can only look normal.

HumphreyBoagart · 05-09-05, 01:23 AM

That is correct, but is is debated that there are certain markers on certain hets.

peterm15 · 05-09-05, 05:32 PM

heres a question for some of you ppl.. im looking into getting a male het for pied.. ( in a few mnths ) anyone know anyone trustworthy

knight45 · 05-10-05, 01:01 AM

if a gene is recessive, it will not show up in anyway on a het. if a so called marker show up that would mean that the gene would be responsible for it and that would make it dominate, but pied is prouven recessive. there is only two ways something can show up.
1. a gene is ressieve and the animal is a homo zygote
2. a gene is dominate and the animal is either a hetro or homo zygote. thats it.

RandyRemington · 05-10-05, 07:36 AM

It's starting to look like in the real world things aren't always so cut and dry as the textbook definitions of recessive vs. dominant.

There is pretty good evidence for the sporadic appearance of markers in hets of the Burmese python mutations of Green and Granite and also in the Ball python piebald mutation. Exactly why a gene would sometimes act a little co-dominant but other times recessive I don't know but it sure seems to be possible.

HumphreyBoagart · 05-10-05, 01:17 PM

Another example of this would be the yellow bellies, which are actually het Ivory.

HetForHuman · 05-10-05, 01:52 PM

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Originally posted by peterm15
heres a question for some of you ppl.. im looking into getting a male het for pied.. ( in a few mnths ) anyone know anyone trustworthy

Corey Woods