Sick video - extremely graphic

[sidewinder]

Discovery channels films of lions eating something alive are to teach what happens in nature, not so you can get off on the cruelty of nature. I admit that I feed my boas live but I do it because thats what they eat naturally, believe me ,I get no pleasure out of it. The sole purpose of that video was to enjoy watching a living creature suffer. Yea, now thats entertainment!

[Bartman]

Supposedly someone on the other forums saw the vid with sound and the guys video were chuckling like "beaves and butthead".

That is why I thought of it to be extremely cruel.

Bart--if that disturbed you so much why would you feel the need to post it?

I wanted to see peoples opinions on this topic and if they believe it is cruel or not. Just for some good discussion.

I personally agree that feeding live, if its a must, is alright but feeding it to be entertained is a poor choice to make.

[latazyo]

Originally posted by sidewinder
I admit that I feed my boas live but I do it because thats what they eat naturally

certainly you've got to be kidding

or maybe the pirhana eats the elusive frozen thawed rodent found only in the remote rivers of south amercia, becuase it definitely doesn't encounter any sort of live rodent "naturally"

http://nis.gsmfc.org/nis_factsheet.php?toc_id=197

but may feed on most any organism it encounters, including terrestrial organisms

[CORN_SNAKE91]

See that statement you made Matt_K is exactly what i do. When i feed live to my ball i video tape it every time. The sheer power is outstanding. Does this make me barbaric? I dont think so, so in all this i myself have mixed views. What happen to the rodent is disturbing sure, but watch a few hours of national geographic or discovery. They had lions eating a juvenile elephant alive. While it was being devoured it was still trying real hard to get up. This video could be for many different purposes, show the power of these fish or take the other direction. So i guess i have mixed views. To make an animal suffer to that extent is disturbing/horrible but it happens and it happens all the time. If you can prevent it then you should at all costs is how i would take this, if you cant, its not like your doing something that doesnt happen every day somewhere in the wild.

that is true.... first time fed my corn snake live and it ate it alive.... it is sad but its nature, the web of life. I think the person posting it (on that other forum) is really disturbing. I do feed my snake live (once in a while) and this quote is true....the SHEER POWER of snakes is outstanding (i videorecorded a few cuz for a school documentary) but is it so wrong to see nature? the pirahna though was so stupid because a rat isnt what it eats generally, (although dont know waht it does eat) and for sure to post something like that is wrong...

[loveispretend]

Originally posted by zero&stich
Let's see how those Red Belly Paranahs like a big old Black Paranah in the tank?

Why? What did the fish do that was 'wrong'? They are predators, they have a survival instinct, and that was the only food presented to them. They did what they were born to do.

[sapphire_moon]

Hey, goldfish can operate a maze to, so why do we feed those off and use them for bait?!

If I ever get into big(ger) snakes again, I will probably house my feeders right next to my pets. obviously will get totally different treatment.

Just because something eats live in the wild gives us no right to feed live in captive (unless they ONLY eat live ) If at all possible they shoud be fed f/t, stunned, or p/k. For the saftey of the snake, and kill the rat/mouse before hand in a humane way.

You can not react in split second timing to stop that rat from ripping out an eyeball or tearing into the side

(one reason a rat bite hurts is because when angry/frightened they seperate their bottom teeth into a V and put their top teeth in between it, and hang on!)

or worse bitting that spot right behind the snakes head and killing it!

Why risk it? You brought it into a captive enviroment, you are responsible for everything, including a safe meal.

Just my opinion of course

[CORN_SNAKE91]

Hey, goldfish can operate a maze to, so why do we feed those off and use them for bait?!

they can?

[chas*e]

Who cares...I feed live and frozen rats, mice, rabbits, and fish to my snakes...Too Bad... but my snakes and crocs don't eat Cherios or Fruit Loops
The Vid is graphic but I have seen worst in my enclosures
By the way ..at least the fish don't carve them up and sit around a BBQ like we do

[daver676]

Wow. Neat video.

I find it funny that people get all uptight about stuff like this. Threads like this never fail to deliver some entertaining banter.

[macd0282]

I understand that certain animals require live food or even previously live food so it doesn't bother me to know it happens. Even so, to get pleasure out of watching an animal be killed and eaten disgusts me. I personally cannot watch those nature shows because even though it is nature, I am too sensitive when it comes to animals of any kind being hurt in any way for any purpose. I just choose to understand and accept it but not have to see it, which is why I have never owned a snake even though I really find them interesting, I just don't have the stomach for it. Anyways, just my opinion

[Slannesh]

Originally posted by sidewinder
Discovery channels films of lions eating something alive are to teach what happens in nature, not so you can get off on the cruelty of nature. I admit that I feed my boas live but I do it because thats what they eat naturally, believe me ,I get no pleasure out of it. The sole purpose of that video was to enjoy watching a living creature suffer. Yea, now thats entertainment!

Wow... that's hypocritical. I really doubt your boas would ever encounter what I believe is a Norwegian rat in the wild.

Discovery channel films that sort of stuff cause it gets ratings which means money. Education is a side benefit. If it made no money it wouldn't get filmed.

As I said before I don't think posting the video was necessary but I don't think feeding live mice to pirahnas is especially cruel either, but I do see a difference between setting up such a thing in a controlled environment and simply filming something similar happening in nature without having direct involvement in it.

[sidewinder]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by latazyo
certainly you've got to be kidding

or maybe the pirhana eats the elusive frozen thawed rodent found only in the remote rivers of south amercia, becuase it definitely doesn't encounter any sort of live rodent "naturally"

http://nis.gsmfc.org/nis_factsheet.php?toc_id=197 [/Q

What are you talking about?
I was talking about feeding my boas ,not pirhana. Try to keep up.

[sidewinder]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Slannesh
Wow... that's hypocritical. I really doubt your boas would ever encounter what I believe is a Norwegian rat in the wild.

Discovery channel films that sort of stuff cause it gets ratings which means money. Education is a side benefit. If it made no money it wouldn't get filmed.

As I said before I don't think posting the video was necessary but I don't think feeding live mice to pirahnas is especially cruel either, but I do see a difference between setting up such a thing in a controlled environment and simply filming something similar happening in nature without having direct involvement in it. [

[sidewinder]

Originally posted by Slannesh
Wow... that's hypocritical. I really doubt your boas would ever encounter what I believe is a Norwegian rat in the wild.

Discovery channel films that sort of stuff cause it gets ratings which means money. Education is a side benefit. If it made no money it wouldn't get filmed.

As I said before I don't think posting the video was necessary but I don't think feeding live mice to pirahnas is especially cruel either, but I do see a difference between setting up such a thing in a controlled environment and simply filming something similar happening in nature without having direct involvement in it.

What differance if it's a norwegian rat or a capybara, my point is it eats live food! Education is the prime reason discovery channel does what it doe's, so what if they make money. How do you think they pay for making the films? Do you work for nothing? Never said feeding the mouse was wrong, just that it was filmed to watch something suffer.THATS wrong!

[Slannesh]

The point is it's totally unnecessary for your boa to eat live food unless it refuses to take F/T or P/K. At that point it's YOU that wants the live feedings, not your snakes. Your snakes do not eat live rats in the wild, they eat other organisms.

Sometimes live feeding is necessary. I know my leopard geckos have ZERO interest in eating anything that's not moving around a bunch so yes, it's necessary to feed them live. The same simply isn't true for most snakes. So I submit that you're feeding live because it's 'cool' which is both dangerous for the snake and probably unnecessary. Now if you happen to have the rare snake that absolutely refuses to eat anything but live then none of the above sarcasm applies to you

Education is a great and noble goal. But the Discovery channel exists to make money, if you doubt that you're just fooling yourself. If it made no money it wouldn't continue broadcasting, plain and simple.

By the way. In the bottom left corner of every post you make, there's an Edit button.... feel free to use it