What's your opinion on breeders websites?

[morph]

Trevor when the word "we" is used alot of times it's cause 2 breeders were involved ie: breeding loans


scott

[Matt_K]

The use of the 'we' or 'us' doesn't bother me as much as people who steal pictures from other breeders and use them on their site.. If you can pay for webhosting and pay for all your animals and food, you can buy a digital camera!!

Same goes for classified ads.. Why make people email for pictures when you can just upload it and post it????? (never understood that)

-Matt (Guilty of using 'we' but I have an excuse... I don't work on my site and 'we' was put in there by someone else!)

[spidergecko]

Originally posted by BoidKeeper
Just the person who looks foolish that owns and operates the site if it's trying to make them look like something they and it aren't.

And how exactly are they looking foolish - because you think they look foolish?

I think you are the only one who really cares.

[BoidKeeper]

I think you are the only one who really cares.

Maybe so but I did ask for peoples opinions on websites and that just happens to be mine. I think small poorly made sites with pop ups spelling and gramer mistakes and pics of two leos and a corn and a write up that sounds like these geckos and corns were produced in "their facility" look foolish to me.
It's like putting wax on a rusty car, what's the point? I think that a website is a step towards promoting yourself as breeding animals on a more professional level or even for a living. But if you're doing it in your bedroom in your one room apt then I think a website in that case is like putting wax on a rusty car. Under the wax there still lies a rusty car. This is why I'm on the fence about whether or not I want a site. My collection is nice but small and I'm not producing $10,000 animals. Personally I would feel more comfortable with a site if my collection was more prestigeous. Again I keep coming back to perception and how people perceive other people with sites and that again is why I asked for peoples opinions.
Cheers,
Trevor

[morph]

OK you just totally lost me with that post as the biggest breeders in the country with their websites and all breed in there "bedroom" and spare bedroom and they are producing 6 figures in animals not just 10k heck I produced like 30k in animals if you go by full retail but I don't even have a website and they were also bred in a spare bedroom. Or as I like to call it "My Facility" but hell I call my bedroom the workshop and my bed is of course the work bench


Scott

[morph]

ooops $10,000 animals not $10,000 in animals

my bad never read posts and reply on no sleep


Scott

[geckoguy157]

Ya i think that there is nothing wrong with small breeders having a website. Lots of the time you will find the best quality from the small time breeders as much more time and care is able to be put into houseing and careing for there reptiles. Also the canadian market in my opinion is realy not big enough at the moment to realy rely on reptile show's so creating a website is a great way for many people to show off and sell there animals. I would personaly encourage it its a great way to meet new people and find excelent new breeders i know there are many breeders that arnt large scale that breed high quality animals that if i would have not seen there website i would have never discovered well thats my 2 cents.

[marisa]

No way! I totally used the page I threw up to sell off baby corns. Totally. I had them all photographed, with records and prices. It worked amazing. I was simply telling people the url, and they could see each snake and stuff.

They were cheap snakes, but it helped sell a few.

I like sites that show truely whats going on though. Sites that SAY "Hey we arent pros, this is a hobby" and do not try to pretend they are something they aren't.

What I really do not like is all the business names. I prefer breeders name.

Marisa

[Siretsap]

I still have trouble understanding people who think that a big breeder is someone who has high end morphs. Heck most of the times, these people only know how to breed the type of snake he has.

I think a big breeder is someone who has knoledge and experience in breeding many different species.

A corn breeder is just as good as an albino ball python breeder, the only difference is the price he paid for his snakes. And personally, the corn breeder will have to put in more time feeding the babies than the ball breeder will have to...

[Brent Strande]

I also think that this thread is coming off a little high and mighty.

A website is a GREAT way to get your name out there! Especially if you aren't a big name breeder! Without having a name that most people in the industry recognize, how do you expect people to find you to buy your animals?

If you don't have a good way to sell your animals, then you shouldn't be breeding! I think that it's smart to have a site up sooner than later, as you can see what kind of traffic it gets, if you have people interested, and what kind of response it gets. If your site is doing what you want, then you should be fine breeding the animals, as you've got a responsible way to move them!

As for the WE part, that could be many things... Many people find that using "I" all the time sounds selfish and egotistical. I did this, and I did that... Who really cares!?!?

If you are a hobbyist and have a full-time job beside herps, without a website, how do you expect people to get their questions about you answered? A website is available 24 hours a day, so they can be up at 4am cruising your site, seeing what you do, who you are, what you've got, and then they also have your contact info, whether it be snail mail, email, or phone! All that without you even knowing it!

From a business standpoint, especially in the herp market where shipping is used so often, it makes NO SENSE to me at all to try and breed animals without a way to advertise them!!!

As for wholesaling them, I think that many people like to know where their animals are going, so that they don't have to worry about them being crammed into some warehouse, possibly forgot about, as it's "just one of 1,000"

Well, I really ranted there, but I saw this thread earlier and had no clue why people wouldn't like that others have a website!

I'll admit it, I've got a site and zero breeding experience (other than what I'm currently working on...) and I have a site. Yes, it is a FREE site, but why pay for a site until I am actually making money from the hobby? Then it will be justified, but for now I am using it as a marketing tool to try and get my name out there. Just one of the perks of posting on forums like this too, so that people can know you through a web presence!

[Jeff_Favelle]

I never update my site, I built the ruddy thing myself, I hardly ever take out a classified, but let me tell you, if I didn't have that site, I would be sitting on 442 babies from 2004 right NOW as I type this, instead of 23.

The internet and WWW are the SINGLE best tools that a breeder has to sell animals. Those 2 things DRAMATICALLY changed the scope of the game. As for people who haven't even bred anything, yet have business cards, websites, flyers, TV ads, bla bla...ha ha, yeah its kind of funny. They are only hurting themselves as the wasted time and effort could be spent on actually producing a SINGLE animal. But then again, its THEIR time and money and they aren't hurting anyone, so to chastize them for it is kind of wrong. Actually, really wrong. Its like people chastizing us for keeping snakes as pets. We don't like that when that happens, do we? So how can we bother other people for doing what THEY want to do? Kind of works both ways....

And the REAL motto of all this? DON'T GIVE A FRIG WHAT ANYONE ELSE IS DOING! LOL! If we did, then all anyone would ever do is breed Ball Python morphs and bicker with each other on the Queensnake forums.......oh wait, that's what I do (minus the Ball Morph breeding, ha ha)....

....just do what you want, and you'll be happy. If other people's shizznit makes you unhappy, then you'll ALWAYS be unhappy.

[Jeff_Favelle]

I'm guilty sometimes of using the "we", but when I do, I'm refering to "me and my snakes". LOL! We're like a family over here, so that's that.

[morph]

Yes but you can also "we" the projects you and Ian do together.

Even though he doesn't do anything!

Just kiddin Ian if you didn't fatten those females up favelle would be hurtin!!!



Scott

[dave68]

Originally posted by BoidKeeper
I think small poorly made sites with pop ups spelling and gramer mistakes and pics of two leos and a corn and a write up that sounds like these geckos and corns were produced in "their facility" look foolish to me.

Is gramer not spelled wrong???LOL!!!
And as for the we thing it is Dave and I therefore we often refer to us as we, makes sense to me, I guess if your single then yeah saying we would be stupid. Just my opinion though
Allison

[Matt_K]

Originally posted by dave68
Is gramer not spelled wrong???LOL!!!

AHAHHA, I didn't wanna be the one to point out the irony.

-Matt