rabbit question - Page 3

lakeridgekennel · 12-06-04, 01:57 PM

i don't care if your right you are just a jack a#$ and don't know when to give up and as for that mf comment that was for the rambo.

Cookie · 12-06-04, 01:57 PM

Hey if i am wrong i am wrong..... as i never shot an animal or killed one with a club. If i am wrong then fine i am wrong. I am french and have probs writing or coming across sometimes, But seriously i guess what i meen to say is "why not use co2 it's more humaine then clubs and guns.... I know what you mean by killing for thousands of years but there are laws now on how we go about that process maybe there should be some laws about how we kill our reptiles prey as well... I gues i am a firm believer in the co2 now as i have seen and used it...i was afraid the gas stayed in the animal and it actualy don't I too used the wacking the mouses heads on a hard surface but i guess i too found a more human way to do it....... guess i am simply stressing co2 is the way to go and maybe those who have not tryed it get informed more as i did and now it's the only way i will go about the deed of killing a rodent.... I don't use rabbits and if i did i would buy them frozen unless i was equiped to kill such a larger animal then a mouse and now i am but still would'nt have a need to kill rabbits and if i did i would use co2

Shad0w · 12-06-04, 01:58 PM

Woa wait a min... if ya do yer research you will see that CO2 in high concentrations can be irritating to the lungs... Not to mention the animals can panic while waiting for the CO2 to kill them.. check out the doc Augerdvm posted from the Vet society regarding euthanasia, it clearly states such...

I will stand by my method of clubbing quickly to humanely kill rabits... and I would bet a gun would be quicker than CO2 too.. its also an approved method Cookie...

You are clearly mis informed my friend

Read for yourself here:
Link Here

Linds · 12-06-04, 02:05 PM

Cookie,
Nobody gets banned on this site unless they violate the TOS. He can give mice away for free (and many people do), we don't care, but if he breaks the rules, then he goes. I don't know what you would be even talking about "because the mouse breeders have been selected already and no room for someone selling mice at half the others prices", as I suggest you get your facts straight before making such accusations. We don't 'select' or endorse anyone. sSnakeSs is not responsible for anything bought or sold in the classifieds, nor do we sell anything ourselves.

Cookie and Lakeridge,
Please refrain from calling names. I don't care 'who started it'.

sapphire_moon · 12-06-04, 02:05 PM

if your brother was here to sell mice then he should have been in the seller section (not saying he wasn't!).

I have been on this site a while and I know none of the mods would ban someone for simply wanting to sell some mice.

Thats right, in the wild they don't have people helping them kill things, that is why in the wild they get so beat up, getting bit and scratched and all.

If not used correctly Co2 can make the rabbit suffer, And if not "clubbed" hard enough, you will simply knock the rabbit out, and that gives it the chance of waking up and hurting the snake, as for the hammer, well that would be quite messy, and as I can imagine painful.

Where as a .22 would, if shot right, probably take seconds to kill. As I am sure rabbits don't see guns as a threat to them, they won't be scared by seeing it, and someone can put it in a box, and just shoot it, not take it out, have to most likely hold it down, and club it.

Though I have never killed a rabbit, and hopefully won't have to, That is just my OPINION on the matter.

Linds · 12-06-04, 02:12 PM

As for my a response to this post...

Shooting is no good. Bullets do shatter inside, and you don't want that ending up inside your snake.

Massive blunt force trauma and gassing are pretty well the only accepted ways to go about humanely offing them. Rabbits are actually fairly easy to break their necks since they have such heavy heads. An aquaintance of mine just wacks them in the back of the head/neck with a wrench. I know it sounds (and looks) pretty brutal, but they are killed instantly. It also has a much larger margin for error than gassing does.

Cookie · 12-06-04, 02:13 PM

Shadow i can relate to the clubing just can't relate to the shooting part.... totaly disagree with the shooting part actualy. If you give co2 in a high dosage for sure it burns the lungs not to mention the nose and eyes... all depends on what p.p.m.'s you use (parts per million)... as you don't just open your tank full blast and go to work.... when you count the time and money the co2 takes sure clubing is the way to go... i am just saying i find it more humaine to go with the co2 as sometimes it takes 2-3 hits or more to kill a rabbit sometimes a mouse can take 2-3 hits before it's over depending who does the club'n... you have a guy that said he always buys them frozen do you really think that he will get it right on his first hit on the rabbits head?.. I have heard some horror stories of freezing alive club them 5 times before they died right down to blasting them with a pellet gun or 22... as for killing deer with a 22 i find that hard to believe as a 22 would only pinch them... 22's are a small game type gun yes this is true but i find it even harder to believe that you take down deer all the time with your 22 in one shot...just my opinion as i have never shot a deer and maybe a 22 could take down a large buck once heard of a guy taking down a giant with a stone so anythings possible

Cookie · 12-06-04, 02:15 PM

spoke to my friends grandmother and your right Linds there necks break easy and one twist is all that is needed no hammers or guns .....that's if you can stomach the pop'n sound that is

lakeridgekennel · 12-06-04, 02:20 PM

MY friend i am getting the rabbits from isn't set up for co2 plus its two much for 10 rabbits. it's not worth it and i am getting kinda mad at u cookie because you are starting to call me a bad reptile keeper the way i get my feeder. First they are free plus he doesn't really care about the best way to kill them he just wants them dead and a gun is instant and they don't feel it. and because i say use a gun and just dig the round out doesn't make me rambo.

Cookie · 12-06-04, 02:23 PM

I swear he had 3 posts 1 was on something snake related so was the second post he was saying he agreed with me on a co2 issue all he said was "i agree with cookie" as he breeds mice and i get them from him.... I don't watch him use the co2 but he swears by it and he IS my brother and actualy i have sold about 10 snakes on here and we both met with the buyers as they bought mice from him and the reptile from me... I am not always right but the guy that posted has e-mailed me in the past saying i was stupid for prices i was asking etc etc I wish i had the mail still!!! I try give some advice on what i know and never offer it on something i don't... i would sit back and learn just like the rest if i did'nt know... But the guy has writen me in the past with insults and his MF comment just proves his character... as for my brother he never broke a rule what so ever all he did was offer 100 mice for 45$ 40 grams and up or something like that....... as for the free mice!!!! where can i get those!!!! lol as there a rare breed lol (jokin)

Cookie · 12-06-04, 02:29 PM

I never said your a bad reptile keeper lake.... I base that on conditions of enclosures fresh water and feeding if a "bad reptile keeper" feeds them at all i never said your a bad reptile keeper as i don't know you... but it's not the first insault from you or name called .... It's all good and don't get mad at me as i am just simply trying to state the most human way possible to kill those rabbit's...... I am not trying to discourage you from taking the rabbits either just asking you to do the deed as humaine as possible by either the old or new way but for your reptiles sake a 22 is the wrong way to go i promise you this..... Take a duck when you shoot it you have the shot all trough the duck and have to spit the shot out as you eat it.... a snake won't spit those fragments out is all

lakeridgekennel · 12-06-04, 02:34 PM

are you the guy cookie that tryed to sell a burm on here for $150 a foot or something.

Linds · 12-06-04, 02:42 PM

If you guys have had problems with eachother in the past, then please leave them at the door when you come here.

As for your brother's banning, I couldn't find any records, but I ran a search and believe that there was the impression his account was yours? I didn't handle that situation, but I'm sure one of the other mods will be able to clarify it further.

Cookie · 12-06-04, 02:42 PM

yes lakeside that's me and you e-mailed me with your comments about it.....when infact the granite DID sell for 900.00 and not the 1500.00 i was asking but it sold in 1 week!!! Incase your going to ask "and it did'nt eat rabbits"?... No it did'nt as he did'nt like rabbits he ate pigs to be specific and they were bought frozen as here frozen mice rats rabbits pigs etc are cheaper frozen... Glad you remember who you insault there lakeridge really glad you remember .......shows your real side now don't it?

BOA68 · 12-06-04, 02:51 PM

Cookie you must have misread my post. I did not say i always kill deer with a .22 with one shot. I said i have done it before. That is once not always, I have only tried once. And you won't kill a deer with a .22 in one shot unless you hit them in the head, but you can. You need to read more carefully I think this is part of the problem throughout this post. I personally think that the issue of killing food items humanely is discussed way too much. They are mice, rats and rabbits, just kill them. We aren't trying to kill people. I use the club or hit against hard surface method. The snake needs to eat so the rat has to die. Anyway you do it is probably better than being squeezed to death, and that is nature.