Bateater - Step 1

[HeatherRose]

Actually, it is mixing species.

The species name is the last name in the latin name of an animal, i.e a wolf = Canis lupus.

As with these snakes, both belong to the same family (Boidae), and the same Genus (python) but are different species (moloris and reticulatus)...they're hybrids of different species.

Now, lets say they were a Colombian and a Brazilian rainbow boa, they would not be:
Epicrates cenchria cenchria + Epicrates cenchria maurus.
Same Species, different sub-species.

[Ryan and Katie]

crossing a python with a python or a boa with a boa is the sme thing... its still the same species...

Pythons and Boas are not the same species. Boas and pythons are in the same order of squamata, the same suborder of serpentes and the same family of boidae (some recent research shows that they may be seperated into different families). They have different genus and species. Here are a couple great websites to check out so that you can learn some taxonomy...

http://www.101science.com/Taxonomy.htm
http://www.curator.org/LegacyVMNH/We...kes/snakes.htm
http://www.borg.com/~lubehawk/taxonmy.htm

Humans are mammal (class), primates (order), hominidae (family), homo (genus), sapiens (species), sapiens (subspecies). Race is not involved anywhere and we are all the same subspecies.

all snakes out there are just a morph of the orginal... its called evulation.. they evolve to survive... without cross breeding thered be nothing...

Cross breeding is not the main source of evolution within a population. The four forces of evolution are mutation, gene flow, genetic drift and selection. Snakes are not just the morph of the orignal, it took thousands of years of tiny changes to result in the large amount of diversity on this planet.

http://www.geocities.com/we_evolve/E...ol_basics.html

[peterm15]

i never said they were the same family... a python is a python.... mutation is in direct relation to cross breeding... but what really makes a difference is...CAN they breed, yes. should they, thats up to you... if something can breed why not....

you ppl are useing all these scientific terms that im not even sure if you understand( please take no offence, you may but frankly it doesnt matter im not meaning to insult anyone) im pretty sure that there are lots of WILD snakes out there that at one point in time didnt exist... we look at them as purebreds cause thats what we know them as.... but in all reality there probably just a cross breed. why do you think there are so many species out there.... if the gears fit and can turn itll make time change right....
if they werent ment to breed they wouldnt...

everyone is entitled to there own opinion but everyone has to weigh out all the facts... you can have a purebred toy poodle but at some point there was a crossbreed to creat a smaller poodle... same goes with snakes as well as everyother animal on the planet....

there are only 2 animals that have sex for pleasure ppl and dolphins, the rest do it for survival... even bactria can crossbreed and theres nothing we can do to stop that...

i just believe if it werent for crossbreeding wed be very limited in our hobbies and lifestyles...

You can even get purebred shipoos... and everyone knows there a shiz sue and a poodle cross

[HeatherRose]

This is because all dogs are the same species, with the same number of chromosomes.

Snakes are not all the same species. It's the *species* name that is important, not the genus or family.

For the record, I'm not using any terms I don't understand

[Ryan and Katie]

I was not trying to argue for or against cross-breeding or hybridization. I was trying to correct the misinformation in the thread.

you can have a purebred toy poodle but at some point there was a crossbreed to creat a smaller poodle...

I would think that it is likely that selective breeding would be more responsible for this than cross-breeding...

im pretty sure that there are lots of WILD snakes out there that at one point in time didnt exist...

That's true but cross-breeding does not influence the evolution of a species as much as you think. Cross-breeding is not a valid method of evolution beacuse it would tend to homogenize animals instead of leading to diversity. The differences between species of snakes took thousands of tiny changes over thousands of years.

[Invictus]

Originally posted by peterm15
[B]there are only 2 animals that have sex for pleasure ppl and dolphins, the rest do it for survival...

Absolutely 100% dead wrong. Every single primate in the world has been found to have sex for both pleasure AND status. You shouldn't get your science from spam emails with "strange and interesting facts" that circulate on the net.

[DeviledDiablo]

LOL readin this whole thread made me fall asleep.. im not really an expert on snakes.. but doesnt "pythons" lay eggs and "boas" give live young? in that sense along.. wouldnt they be classed differently? i mean that itself is a HUGE trait difference rite? lol i mite juss be fuelin the fire.. but thats wut i always though it was.. personally i would think that snakes should bread wit its own type.. i mean it took thousands of yrs juss to make wut we see.. and it takes 1 yr for someone to mess it all up.. i say enjoy wut u see in these animals.. (as pures) im sure u wouldnt want ur kid to be full of hair and have a tail ( juss because someone else mite think it looks nice) there is nothin we can do to stop ppl from doin it.. and we do all have our own opinions on things.. but are we doin all this for the snakes or ourselves? think about dat! and i no i no.. its your snake its your snake.. but does the snake think ur its "master"? or have any loyalty to you? i think we should think about the snakes as a speicies and not juss another toy we have to play around wit.. btw this is juss my opinion.. not tryin to start anythin wit anyone well thanx for an interestin read anyways..
peace

[DeviledDiablo]

o ya.. btw anaconda.. good luck wit ur project.. we all have reasons for doin wut we do nothin against that. and i m kinda curious as of wut these snakes look like.. ( im new to the whole snake deal ) but anyways im gonna go check out some pictures.. im sure they look nice.. cause ppl here seems to want them..
peace

[Jeff_Favelle]

i never said they were the same family... a python is a python.... mutation is in direct relation to cross breeding...

Wrongo! Mutations are NOT a direct relation to cross breeding, LOL! Where did you dig THAT up?

And boas and pythons ARE in the same family. The family Boidae is both boas and pythons.

It makes me wonder where people get their info. Scary at times.

why do you think there are so many species out there....

Do YOU know why there are som many species out there? Do you have any idea of the mechanism(s) that facilitate the abundance of similar species? Please share, because its not why you've been saying. 1st year biology at ANY accredited university will answer all of your questions.

[lostwithin]

OK I just read through the whole thread and peterm15 I am afraid you have a completely wrong idea going on in your head, crossbreeding is not a factor in evolution, the way we get all those different species isn’t by mixing ones we have infact a species in the wild is often defined as a separate “species” when it evolves to the point that it no longer breeds with the species it derived from. Cross breeding in the wild occurs, but only by species that ranges overlap, and the result is not a species it’s a hybrid, these cases are rare and often result in infertile offspring if any.
As for humans and different races I’m not touching that one, I will mention religion has nothing to do with it.

Devon

[JimmyDavid]

It's stupid that this thread turned into a Taxonomy101 lesson. Go back to the original post and recall what this was all about, people.

[Jeff_Favelle]

It's stupid that this thread turned into a Taxonomy101 lesson. Go back to the original post and recall what this was all about, people.

Its NEVER stupid to learn. In fact, in learning's absence, what do you have?

I'll tell you. Stupidity. Ironic eh?

[peterm15]

Originally posted by Jeff_Favelle
Its NEVER stupid to learn. In fact, in learning's absence, what do you have?

very true, thank you... imlearning alot....

now everyone is right religion has nothing to do with it, i dont even know why that came up. and im very sorry...

now i got a few questions first of all... i got confused...

these are both pythons right???

If so shouldnt they have the same "gene pool" same number of crom. and stuff???

and if two humans from different races and 2 different types of dogs can procreate then why cant 2 snakes...

now i can see your point of trying to mate a python and boa there like cats and dogs right... or trying to mate a rectic with a childrens. or something arount these lines...

and how many scientists have proved this this sex for pleasure thing. cause you know science is mostly theroy. some scientists think and have prooved dog ARE colour blind and some have prooved otherwise. so until i can have a horse come up to me and say " i have sex for pleasure" ill believe my own theroy.

[peterm15]

oh ya and im sorry if some ppl are taking this as an arguement but its really not.... this is a learning experence and im really enjoying it... last night i know i was pretty rude and jumpy but im sorry i was really tiered...( i havent slept in months) thanks to everyone who is taking part and helping me and others learn..

But i still have my own beliefs.. and my main one is if two animals can and want to procreate why not... its not like it was artifical insimation...

[Ryan and Katie]

and if two humans from different races and 2 different types of dogs can procreate then why cant 2 snakes...

Humans are all the same species as are all the different breeds of domestic dog. This is why they can all procreate. Snakes that are the same species or subspecies can breed. The definition of a species is "groups of actually or potentially interbreeding natural populations which are reproductively isolated from other such groups" or "a related group of organisms that share a more or less distinctive form and are capable of interbreeding".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Species

There may be some breeding between different species of snakes but that usually results in sterile offspring. If the offspring are not sterile that could indicate that the two species are closer than previously thought by taxonomists.

this is a learning experence and im really enjoying it...

That is good to hear.....