Not All Pits Are Bad... - Page 3

John Doe · 10-01-04, 09:14 AM

Hi!
I'm a new member on this forum and that's gonna be my first post because all that polemic concerning Pits and such is touching me deeply.

First of all, i own four dogs. 1 female AmStaff, 1 male American bull dog, 1 male Boston bull terrier and 1 mixt Rottweiller German sheppard. I've been owning Staffies and other types of terrier since i'm a kid, witch means about twenty years now and i think that most Staffies owners will agree with me that those dogs sould not be owned by any people who just want a regular house dog, not because they are too agressive but simply because those dogs are too energetics and demanding for a lot of people and i believe those rules apply for almost all terrier breeds.

Sadly, not all people understand the commitments and responsability that represent owning a dog and a lot of people go for the look only, without thinking all the responsabilities that an animal represent. Here in Quebec, we have problems with bad press concerning pits and such only since 1986, knowing that those dogs are around since the late 40's. What happened in 86?FASHION!!!!!!!!! Sadly, irresponsible people who used to owned German sheppards, dobermans, and other type of dogs considered SCARRY at the time, heard about that breed who was supposedly so strong and scarry. At the same time, german sheppard attacks stopped and pit bulls attack started. This pits attack epidemia only last for about a few months but it stayed in the media manipulated public memory since then.

I got bit three times by dogs, (one of these bite almost cost me my balls, no kidding), and the 3 times, it was by german sheppards but as i have always said, i don' t hate german sheppards and each and every times i got bit, it was my fault and also the fault of the owner who keep dogs tied up in the back yard with a four feet chain with a handfull of dried food once in a while right on the ground, no dishes, and the poor animal, always alone with no contact with other dogs or people, (pretty sad for an animal who's supposed to live in a pack).

Now, here is the storry of Maggie, my AmStaff.

Maggie is a rescued dog and i got her when she was about a year and a half, (she is six now). I took her from a guy who was planning using her as a training bait for fighting dogs. As a result, she ended with broken ribbes, and dommage to her back bone due to beer bottle beating. The first few weeks i got her, she was scarred to death of everything, from voice raising to me drinking a beer and other dogs, but after a while, she gained assurance to finally become the most self confident dog and also the best Staffie i ever had, (she's still scared of beer bottle). Would you believe that after all those bad treatments she suffered, she never ever showned any agressivity to any people or dogs. The storry is a lot longer than that but i'll stop here by saying that, there is no bad animals, only bad people who are using them for bad purpose. If they banned a breed, you can believe me that bad people are gonna put energy on a new breed, and so on and so on. in 86, i was saying to people that the next breed to be on the line would be the Rottweilers and i have been proven right. The next one, American bull dogs then the Cane corso etc.........

Shad0w · 10-01-04, 09:24 AM

I cannot believe what I saw driving into work today...

I was driving up Sherborne, and I see this guy walking down the street pushing a baby carriage and walking his pitbull...

This guy had the dog off leash... dog was charging up and down the street after squirrels....

I cant believe this stuff goes on in downtown toronto

SEE.. this is the kind of guy that ruins it for everyone.. too bad I didnt have my digicam with me.. otherwise I would have taken pics...

JonD · 10-01-04, 09:24 AM

I agree that its the owners who should be taking care of the dogs actions.

The media is the big problem in this whole picture. Like what happened in Toronto area yesterday. Funny how the media puts it front page. Then on the inside page a quote from this boys mother "He was nearly eaten alive"....What is that? The dogs arn't after him for nutritional value. They go on to say that this boy was attacked by two pits.

At the very end of this almost full page article it then states that they boy was in the dog owners back yard cutting the lawn and forgot to tell the owner he was back there. She let out the dogs and they attacked him....Probably because the sound of the lawn mower.

The kid who was attacked said it was his fault for not letting the owner know that he was in the enclosed back yard.... He didn't want the dogs put down for his wrong actions...

All people really read though are the headlines...."another pit attack"....lets ban these killer dogs.

In most to almost all of these cases, it is an error on the owners part.

If you are walking around with a loaded gun so to speak, and drop it. It discharges. The bullet hits some one, do you blame the gun????

****Im not comparing these dogs to guns, just an example****

People need to be responseable, and not blame actions on on an animal that is incapable of making the decision to do harm.

Shad0w · 10-01-04, 09:26 AM

Im sorry..

But ANY dog that is willing and VERY ABLE to tear a human apart should be put down... esp if they ever do attack someone... stop making excuses for these animals...

Are you telling me that if a couple of kids hopped some fences (which of you didnt when yonger) and a dog decided to tear the kid to pieces.. this should be condoned or the dog defended? Would you blame it on the kid???

No way anyone should have to worry about such animals...

Just talk to the postal workers / utility workers, they have all too often been mauled by dogs just for approaching a house... There is NO NEED for this!

Syco · 10-01-04, 09:32 AM

Samba, I think this is more what you were wanting.
http://www.pitbullpress.com/ARTICLES/atyourservice.html

Sorry, but when you love these dogs and hear everyone putting them down you just
have to jump to their defense.

JonD · 10-01-04, 09:37 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Shad0w
Im sorry..

But ANY dog that is willing and VERY ABLE to tear a human apart should be put down... esp if they ever do attack someone... stop making excuses for these animals...

Are you telling me that if a couple of kids hopped some fences (which of you didnt when yonger) and a dog decided to tear the kid to pieces.. this should be condoned? and would blame it on the kid???

No way anyone should have to worry about such animals...

Just talk to the postal workers / utility workers, they have all too often been mauled by dogs just for approaching a house... There is NO NEED for this!

Umm that might be but this boy was in the fenced back yard of the dog owners, with out the owner knowing...Not an excuse, just facts. And the boy him self accepted that he was at fault. They have beware of dog signs for a reason....

What ever happened to German Sheppards, when I was younger the media was having a field day with them....

Samba · 10-01-04, 09:38 AM

That's very true. A few years ago a woman named Diane Whipple was attacked and mauled outside of her apartment door by two Presa Canarios. These dogs are similar to Pits and Staffies in body shape, type and build but are much larger. (One of the dogs was actually heavier than Miss Whipple)

Unfortunately Miss Whipple succumbed to her injuries and the owners of the Presa Canarios went on trial, and I believe, convicted of manslaughter (or First degree murder). The dogs were put down, and it was even said that the male dog, (I forget his name), was subjected to numerous tranquilizers, and still walked from the scene of the attack to the Animal Control Vehicle, were I believe he was euthanized. (I don't remember all the fine details of this story).

Amazingly enough, I have heard nothing on the Presa Canarios, which are a relatively rare breed. If Pits, Rotties, Mastiffs, etc. are banned, people looking for big, mean dogs will turn to Presas. I can practially guarantee it. Anyways, I would like to see more positive stories about Pits and Staffies specifically.

Thanks to all of you who have followed my example by showing the good nature of Pits. =)

Syco · 10-01-04, 09:39 AM

I agree. *Any* dog that attacks a person, unless defending his owner, should be put down. That goes for everything from Poodles to Pits, and if our Pit ever attacked anyone (unless she is defending us) she will be put down.

JonD · 10-01-04, 09:40 AM

Oh and Shadow talk to postal workers, most have had problems with ALL breeds of dogs, not just a few..

Shad0w · 10-01-04, 09:43 AM

Syco,

I absolutely agree.. Im not just picking Pits.. but any dog

Samba · 10-01-04, 09:43 AM

After to reading the last few posts that appeared while I was writing my own, I defiantely have to agree that these dogs were defending their territory and their 'pack' members (the family). They didn't know this kid from a rapist, murder, robber, burgler, etc.

Shad0w · 10-01-04, 09:44 AM

JonD, Agreed!

Like I said.. my comments are not just directed to just Pits, but every large dog capable of inflicting serious harm to a human

Shad0w · 10-01-04, 09:45 AM

Defend the dogs as you Will Samba, (I understand you are defending your dogs)

There is still no excuse... the animals pose an inherent danger to people, rightfully, they should be destroyed.

Syco · 10-01-04, 09:48 AM

Here's another one.

http://www.pitbullpress.com/ARTICLES/NORTON.html

Samba · 10-01-04, 09:52 AM

Shad0w, are you telling me that if some stranger entered your yard without your knowledge or permission and you have NO IDEA what his intentions are that you WANT your dog to do nothing about it????

I think these dogs did the RIGHT thing, and should even be rewarded for their BRAVERY to defend their home and family.

I'd DEFINETLY want my dogs to attack, or at least hold them (I am planning to get them intructed in Shultzhund) which in itself is a misunderstood form of obedience.