FL King VS. Corn - Page 3

KingFfaj · 03-22-04, 02:13 AM

you put kill them in the freezer? that really is sick, it would definatly be nicer to let the snake kill them its self, a mouse takes 10-15seconds to die though constriction, but may take hours and hours in a frezer, all the time in unbarable pain, and slowly feeling its blood crystalize, very very inhumane.
I hope you change your method, after reading this, any way is better then freezing, even hitting on the head, or gas or cervical dislocation.
Remeber, live mice are bad as feeders because of the danger to the snake, not becauser its inhumane to the mouse, they are dead very quickly, and so would a small snake be.
DONT frezee an animal to death because u dont want to see it die

Crazycorn · 03-22-04, 05:57 PM

Actually if you knew enough of a snake anatomy you would really see why what I did what better, Ok to start with snakes are cold blooded and need heat from elsewhere to warm them up and become active without this heat they slow down and when chilled snakes "go to sleep" and really feel not alot, in fact the snake was dead in 5 minutes, I bet that really hurt didn't it unlike the 10-60 minutes it would have required for the snake to be constricted to death.

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DONT frezee an animal to death because u don't want to see it die

I did not want to see it die but that seemed the best thing to do and if that means I am sick then fine.

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a mouse takes 10-15seconds to die though constriction, but may take hours and hours in a frezer

really because the time I have had it to take was a couple minutes.

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live mice are bad as feeders because of the danger to the snake, not becauser its inhumane to the mouse

They are not bad as feeders, what do think would be better? A properly killed mouse or pinky/fuzzy with its eyes closed is of no harm to a snake what really is wrong is the feeding style of the person feeding the snake. Such as leaving a snake with a live mouse for more than a couple minutes with no supervision.

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mouse, they are dead very quickly, and so would a small snake be.

Actually that is false a snake can hold its breath alot longer than a mouse can and since they kill by constricting the animal to suffocation it thereby the snake would live longer and endure more pain.
Please do not take offense, I am merely stating the reasoning behind my actions.

KingFfaj · 03-25-04, 10:13 AM

so are you trying to debait the fact that being frozen to death is more humane then being killed by the animal that is trying to eat you? coz its wrong its not, even if it is quicker.
This is pointless because no one can actually prove this either way so lets not debait this, just dont put live animals in the freezer.

jjaj02 · 03-31-04, 06:19 PM

Ummmmmmmm.......not really sure what to say about that. Oh well you gotta do what you gotta do. Not sure I would have posted the pic tho. Lotsa ppl that really, really like corns.

**Andy_G** · 03-31-04, 06:28 PM

Out of curiousity, how would you have killed the snake?

Katt · 03-31-04, 07:59 PM

Crazycorn do you keep ringneck snakes??

KingFfaj · 03-31-04, 08:48 PM

make him read this thread

anacondaman · 04-03-04, 04:29 PM

i dont see why its worse to feed a snake to a snake then a mouse to a snake...non is more important than the other..it just happens snakes are more interesting and colourful... dont get me wrong...i like snakes more than mice but hey if there was a snake around my house that wasnt in the best shape and another snake could benefit from it... why not??????

anacondaman · 04-03-04, 04:35 PM

hell.....a varied diet is even benificial in some cases...so in that case.....it shouldnt even be a problem

KingFfaj · 04-03-04, 04:39 PM

I probably wouldnt have killed it, i would have feed it live. I wont lose sleep over there being one less corn, but I am againts freezing

anacondaman · 04-03-04, 04:52 PM

either way ur killin the animal....just wen ur killing the animal choose 2 different ways....the natural way(let the king kill it) or if ur gonna do it...do it the fastest way possible(less painful)

Oliverian · 04-08-04, 08:15 PM

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so are you trying to debait the fact that being frozen to death is more humane then being killed by the animal that is trying to eat you? coz its wrong its not, even if it is quicker.
This is pointless because no one can actually prove this either way so lets not debait this, just dont put live animals in the freezer.

Snakes are COLD BLOODED. Have you ever brumated a snake? They slow down quickly and don't respond very much at all to any stimuli. So, if they cool down and then get so cold they die, they most likely wouldn't feel any pain at all. Certainly they'd have more pain and stress being bitten, wrapped, and swallowed by another snake. Don't apply warm blooded logic to cold blooded animals. It just doesn't work.

My personal opinion is that it was a good thing to do, I never waste a life either if I can help it. The only thing that concered me when I saw the pic was the possibility of parasites, but I guess you have that under control. I think a lot of you are ovverreating. Neat picture, anyways.

-TammyR

Optimus Prime · 04-08-04, 08:43 PM

I don't find a problem with it at all snakes are a natural part of Kingsnakes diets and its the same as feeding it a mouse they are still animals and so forth.

KingFfaj · 04-09-04, 09:48 AM

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Originally posted by Oliverian
Snakes are COLD BLOODED. Have you ever brumated a snake? They slow down quickly and don't respond very much at all to any stimuli. So, if they cool down and then get so cold they die, they most likely wouldn't feel any pain at all. Certainly they'd have more pain and stress being bitten, wrapped, and swallowed by another snake. Don't apply warm blooded logic to cold blooded animals. It just doesn't work.

You cant say things like that, coz u dont know if a reptile will feel its blood crystalising or not, but itrs blood will crystalize, and it will still be alive, so ur wrong to sy that, nd should be on this threads as it sets the wrong example, DOnt freeze animals

now let this thread die

Simon Sansom · 04-09-04, 11:48 AM

How do YOU know that an animal can feel it's blood "crystallize", as you say? Physiologically, the animal's metabolism and other body processes etc, slow down to the point of unconciousness well before it actually freezes and dies.

I have spoken to a medical doctor on the subject of euthanizing herps, and he agrees that freezing a snake is most likely the best way to dispatch it. Ask a veterinarian on the other hand, and he'll recommend having to pay to bring it in to be euthanized "correctly" i.e., the way they'd deal with a warm-blooded animal.

Cheers!

Simon R Sansom