Well guys, I got banned from KS....... more...... - Page 3

Mustangrde1 · 03-05-04, 08:24 AM

Daboia russelli to the groin comes to mind add a bit of Bitis gabonica to the worm in the middle for good measure. If the websites, magazinesand other outlits for sales of these mutilation stand up and say we will not allow it demand for supply will be seriously and drastically be cut. We can only hope for that day and fight to make it happen!!!

Crotalus75 · 03-05-04, 09:13 AM

"Daboia russelli to the groin comes to mind "

....Ouch!!! Bites from some D. russelli have been known to cause serious gonadal atrophy....seriously.....

Mustangrde1 · 03-05-04, 09:20 AM

Steroylization of shade tree butchers such a bad idea Tad? Then again with the main vein hit I suppose we could call that a true void lmfao

Crotalus75 · 03-05-04, 09:22 AM

LOL

What goes around comes around..... I don't think we want some of those people reproducing anyway...

jay72 · 03-10-04, 09:43 AM

We do alot of talking and debating about this issue on these boards. What is actually being done to stop this procedure? Lets put something in motion. I am sure the void sellers have to be feeling some sort of pressure. It is obviously "cruelty to animals". How can we get these laws that have been posted enforced?

It is a very sensative issue. Attacking people like we all feel like doing because of our frustration is only going to put void keepers/sellers on the defensive. That is obvious by now. We need these laws enforced so we can back our position with legal ramifications.

Sloane Russeck

BWSmith · 03-10-04, 09:47 AM

Actually, somehow using existing laws is better. If they write new ones, it is too easy to just say "to hell with it, let's just ban ALL venomous and be done with it"

Crotalus75 · 03-10-04, 05:01 PM

I am all in favor of action. I would volunteer to head something up, but I am swamped to the gills with my studies. Maybe if we could form some sort petition and circulate it throughout the herpetoculture and herpetology communities. Something like that could at least be a community voice to parties involved in the venomoid trade (dealers, hacks and the services that support them i.e. KS, etc..). It's not much but it would at least be a move toward action.

jay72 · 03-10-04, 06:45 PM

Tad,

I would as well. I think flyers with facts, statistics and laws should be made up and circulated at the different reptile shows like Daytona. It is something that the whole venomous community should get together and make a stand. I am sure alot of the dealers who dont deal in voids would be happy to participate.

Sloane Russeck

Mustangrde1 · 03-10-04, 06:51 PM

Ok everyone e-mail Ray Goushaw and ask him to sing Seminole Wind... oppss that Kareoke<sp> Ray and I will be getting together as soon as time permits to work on a petition. He has a cooler head then mine when it comes to something I tend to be very emotional about.

Crotalus75 · 03-10-04, 09:50 PM

Sounds great guys. Sloane, I think shows like Daytona, etc.. would be a very powerful platform for disseminating this information. Hank Molt and other key people there are already very antivenomoid. I wonder if a few of us could maybe even pool a few bucks and get a booth to display this info and pass out flyers, sell t-shirts.....etc... I am planning to attend Daytona this year...... Who knows..??????

jay72 · 03-10-04, 09:54 PM

I would always donate money to a good cause.

Sloane Russeck

Crotalus75 · 03-10-04, 10:18 PM

Would any of you guys be interested in getting a display/booth together? I think that with a handful of us involved in a project like this we could come up with some very good, very professional ideas. I wouldn't be opposed to working the booth myself as long as I had a few others that would work it with me.....

MsTT · 03-11-04, 12:35 AM

Snake Getters will have a booth at Daytona. We will be very glad to make information about venomoids available to people in accordance with our mission of venomous snake rehabilitation and rescue.

Crotalus75 · 03-11-04, 12:49 AM

Thats great, MsTT! Do you know what vendors are on the line up for Daytona this year? I heard that there are supposed to be more vendors than last year. I haven't seen much info on the 2004 show yet.

jtpRUGGER · 03-11-04, 03:26 AM

It's great to hear such enthusiasm against venomoid procedures. Unfortunately, venomoid sellers already have their own petition, and it's a very powerful one: the list of venomoid buyers. I think disseminating information, particularly at the larger shows, is a great idea, however, I think giving out the info at the hot, AND not-hot shows is imperative. Doing that, in line with what other anti-void herpers are currently doing through legislative channels, is a great beginning to what will hopefully be the end of hot-mutilation. I'll sign a petition. I would be willing to help gather info for brochures.
Josh