Nursery Cages? - Page 3

meow_mix450 · 02-03-04, 07:07 PM

everyone has there opinion

Meow

tHeGiNo · 02-03-04, 07:13 PM

Yes, they do, however it is a proven FACT that chameleons will and do thrive perfectly in large enclosures, and that a smaller enclosure is definitely NOT essential to their health. Calcium intakes, yes. Small enclosures for neonates, no.

meow_mix450 · 02-03-04, 07:37 PM

no im not saying that they wont thrive, but dank7oo perfers smaller cages and move up i beleive correct me if im wrong. Where did you get the "fact"? a chameleon that is around 4cm long wouldnt,be to happy in a 4 foot cage, if i was to put one in; there i my self wouldnt find this guy, i just wonder how they are gonna find the crikets. Connie sells panthers at a really young age, but i just dont like 4 foot cages for baby panthers, not against it, but i perfer smaller cages, then slowly move up, so it would be easyer for the little guy to find food. NEVER said that they wont thrive in a large enclosures. Wild baby chameleons has a large forest, to roam, but rememeber these are CB not wild. I bet most chams die in the wild. and only 5% lives, this is jsut a guess i could be wrong, but im just saying, both yours, and dank7oo is right

Meow

Meow

K1LOS · 02-03-04, 07:56 PM

come on everyone, we don't need the hostility. Everybody stated their opinions, i took the information provided and made my own decision. I will watch the cham closely, and should i see the need to use a smaller cage, i will move it. Thanks for all the advice from everyone. In the future, it would be nice if we all tried to keep the posts about information, instead of squabling. Thanks again everyone, i'll keep you posted when the time comes.

Geoff

sleddergirl · 02-03-04, 08:01 PM

Just my opinion, I don't really think this thread has a lot of squabbling?! Some opinions were stated and some who didn't agree, questioned the belief system.....I see nothing wrong with that. When opinions are requested (in a question) then people are going to have different answers. If someone says something that I don't necessarily agree with or understand, I can ask them why they think that way. For all we know, opinions can be changed based on logical answers.....like I said, I think opinions can be questioned without hostility.

Collide · 02-03-04, 08:07 PM

I think the issue is that if ur posting your opinon that is great but make sure that what u say is fact, is fact.

sleddergirl · 02-03-04, 08:09 PM

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Originally posted by Collide
I think the issue is that if ur posting your opinon that is great but make sure that what u say is fact, is fact.

Agreed.............

tHeGiNo · 02-03-04, 08:39 PM

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but dank7oo perfers smaller cages and move up i beleive correct me if im wrong. Where did you get the "fact"?

It is a fact because myself, and several others on this site as well as several other breeders I have spoken to have had success with large cages. Don't get me wrong, they use small cages too.

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a chameleon that is around 4cm long wouldnt,be to happy in a 4 foot cage, if i was to put one in; there i my self wouldnt find this guy, i just wonder how they are gonna find the crikets. Connie sells panthers at a really young age, but i just dont like 4 foot cages for baby panthers, not against it, but i perfer smaller cages, then slowly move up, so it would be easyer for the little guy to find food. NEVER said that they wont thrive in a large enclosures.

With no disrespect intended, and please do not take this in a bad manner, but you are speaking from the experience of one chameleon which you have not had for long now. I am speaking from my experience and several others that they are perfectly content in large enclosures, and do not have problems locating food.

By the way aside from this, I wasn't saying you were saying anything wrong. I wasn't referring to you.

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is jsut a guess i could be wrong, but im just saying, both yours, and dank7oo is right

Again I don't mean to be stuck up, but dank is NOT right. He said chameleons falling is a certain death. And small cages for young chameleons are NOT essential. Those are facts.

meow_mix450 · 02-03-04, 08:59 PM

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Originally posted by tHeGiNo
I am speaking from my experience and several others that they are perfectly content in large enclosures

Yes i understand that, and so is everyone else, and i have a baby chameleon(veiled) living in a small encloseur, and hes fine.....Even though a lot of people here may be more experienced, doesnt mean i cant have my part of say(you didnt say that but, im just pointing it out) what info, i give is from my experience, and what i herad from experts from this thread/site. The person that was here(trace) i thought was an expert she knew a lot about chams, i would come on everyday to read what she says, she has been wrong from now and then, but everyone makes mistakes. Ive read care sheets, talk to cham owners and read books. By doing all this, i get experience and knowledge.

What i think dank7oo meant was that, a 4 foot fall, can hurt the cham, possibly breaking a bone, which will lead to death, if not taken care of. im just guessing....But anything is possible

Meow

meow_mix450 · 02-03-04, 09:02 PM

opps srry, yes he did indeed say its a certain death, and yes usual it isnt a certian death, srry

Meow

Collide · 02-03-04, 10:29 PM

the FACT of the mater is that smaller cages haver there bennifets, easy access to food, easy to find. they also have negative things too, more cost because u have to upgrade.

Large adult cages the same... bennifets, no upgrading, lots of room
negatives.. may be harder to find food (which can be dealt with), cham could fall its possible (although unlikely and not that much of a risk because they are designed to servive falls.)

its up to the person asking the question to make up there minds, both sides of the coin have to be looked at.

Its hard to read some things and not combat them.

meow_mix450 · 02-03-04, 10:32 PM

ya it is, cause ones got another opinon lol! and they just keep going trying to convice people that there chocie is better, but yes your completly right on this, both cages are good, and both of them can be bad, nothings perfect

Meow

dank7oo · 02-04-04, 07:27 AM

LOL .... theGino, don't speak on MY behalf. I am approaching 6 years of experience, and I personally have had 2 neonates break bones and die from falling from larger cages. Again, you can do what you want, but I'm 2/2 with pleanty of climbing branch and foilage (one in a fiscus). So from MY experiances, a smaller cage is better to start.

Jason

tHeGiNo · 02-04-04, 07:44 AM

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Yes i understand that, and so is everyone else, and i have a baby chameleon(veiled) living in a small encloseur, and hes fine

Thing is, I never said small cages are not effective. Infact I said they were. I am just saying, they are not essential to their health.

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LOL .... theGino, don't speak on MY behalf. I am approaching 6 years of experience, and I personally have had 2 neonates break bones and die from falling from larger cages. Again, you can do what you want, but I'm 2/2 with pleanty of climbing branch and foilage (one in a fiscus). So from MY experiances, a smaller cage is better to start.

So you got your first chameleon when you were 10? Yet you still were unable to keep a healthy chameleon and had one get to the point of EBD last year? If you have had two neonates fall and break bones, then you have not been keeping them properly. I have never seen or heard of a healthy chameleon falling from a tree. Also, after six years, you are STILL quoting caresheets?

Lets make it very clear here. I am NOT talking extremes, I am saying both methods are effective and work.

tHeGiNo · 02-04-04, 07:50 AM

Also if you don't mind I would like some more information on your two neonates that died. Heh.