Rant - Chameleon Forum

[meow_mix450]

i kno 3, trace, eyespy and now mrsogle(spelling) and we are just about to loose dank7oo, and i thought of going, but ill stay a little longer......like honslty i missed them and i want them to come bac....it just seems that the site is slowly being taken over by morons, marisa your right, theres a lot of site that has a lot of morons, thats cause they get taken over, by them....i havnt seen a lot of people that use to post here as much as before.....in the cham fourm and the other fourms, past few months i post a question answered in mins, now it takes days and days.

Meow

[marisa]

Honestly any "missing people" well that's there choice.

I think some of you need to take a forum reality check. The amount of BS and "mean" people here is like 500% below almost any other forum as active as this one on the internet. Go ahead and see for yourself. You either have total choas on other sites, or you have extreme censorship and fakeness. ssnakess.com is the only one with neither and only MINOR amounts of morons. Anything you guys are seeing is isolated, or you are taking it a little bit to seriously. You can only make a forum so friendly. You cannot force people to get along together.

I say be graitful you have a forum THIS friendly and this none chaotic and ignore the idiots. It takes two people to have a forum disagreement or a fight. If you won't participate in that, then guess what? No fight, or "meanness" and you can happily pass on information.

Marisa

[Wuntu Menny]

Which is exactly why some of us opt for a nomadic approach to reptile sites, to try and stay ahead of the idiots. I believe that the statement about not being able to handle the internet is a bit of a generalization however.

Marisa, you seem to have either missed the point of what some of us are trying to express or you are truly immune to the effects. Either way, I see no purpose in offering advice or stating an observation and then having to literally argue the point to have it stand.

Certain individuals readily demonstrate the desire to generate as much conflict and controversy as they possibly can while simultaneously making it abundantly clear that they lack any credible background or experience. It just doesn't make for an enjoyable exchange of views and ideas when this sort of interference becomes frequent.

Did I let them interfere? Not me... I just don't care to deal with it. I suppose ultimately the TOS allows it to happen. There are no rules stating that a person can't offer unqualified advice or oppose the opinions of others based on the fact that their brother's friend always feeds porcupines to his ball python. Maybe its time we all had to pass a little entrance exam to warrant membership to a site.

I come here learn from some and hopefully help to educate others, not to argue over every petty, pathetic little detail. When it comes to that, there are plenty of other new sites out there that have the same small town feel that this place used to have.

WM

[marisa]

There can't be that rule or exam! Why? Because everyone does things a little different and different approaches to husbandry DO work. Filtering out the idiots stops all meaningful arguements and conversation when people educated them to why they are wrong.

Immune to what effects? What effect exactly does someone not agreeing over the internet with you have? You either share advice, or you don't. Plain and simple. If you don't want to argue, then don't. Simple. No one else can force you to go offline or turn a forum off. What I have taken from the thread is that people are frustrated with people giving bad advice, and causing problems. I have yet to see a problem intentionally caused on this website that comes anything close to what other forums have to deal with. You cannot possibly be so ultra sensitive as to expect no arguements, disagreements or "idiots" posting advice.

Small town feel....means lack of participation. You show me one reptile other forum with 4000 members that has less uneducated members on it, less arguements, less fighting. There isn't one. Why? Because if you want a HUGE base of knowledge you have to put up with a percentage of uneducated people as well. That's the plain and simple of it. That's also similar to how real life works. You want to go to a reptile show and learn, and sure 99.5% of the people there are nice and educated, but there's that 0.5% that will make things difficult for others. Its a fact of everyday life, and its magnified on the internet. You can either handle it and take the good out of it, or ignore it altogether, I guess that's each persons choice though.

For me, I find it overwhelmingly simple to ignore idiots, or educate them while still taking good educated information from the site. Hasn't gone wrong for me yet.

Marisa

[Brock]

I'm not going to waste much of my time over this stupid thread. This is a childish; and it is true, some of you are too sensitive, and that is a real weakness that cannot possibly be respected. I appreciate the posts by marisa and oiler17, sometimes people need to be grabbed by the balls and dragged out of dreamland.

Dank, sorry to see you're joining the bandwagon, I thought you had more independence than that. For what it's worth, I appreciated your responses to virtually every post and overall hepful presence here.

Moral: Some of you are too idealistic, reality bites; bite back.

-Insights of Brock

[dank7oo]

Thanks Brocl and to everyone else who has responded.

I honestly feel, as WM said, a lot of people here are missing the point to the thread to begin with. I am not wasting more time explaining i a third time, but just go read my first few posts to get back on track (marisa).

Jason

[meow_mix450]

Marisa: that 4000 people hat joiin, only less then half people that are experts, the other half, are there t give there opinions on wut they think about this, but it seems that tis 0.5% of idiots are slowly growing to 1% and higher, as slowly experts and even the ones that are giving there own opinion are leaving the site, also that 4000 that join, they only post once or twice and they leave...........but your right, this is one of the sites they has the lowest idiots, but slowly the idiots will grow....

This may bseen childish but, there are senstive people here, and they dont want to look like there a idiot here.....thats why they leave the idiots make them feel like idiots cause they asked a question they didnt kno......

THE POINT
is that people dont feel like home and they feel like they are dumb, and shouldnt be here so they leave, they just dont want to start an agurment, so they leave, dragn seems to be the moderator for every fourm, well thats wut i saw i could be wrong

Meow

[marisa]

Sorry I have no clue what you are saying here :

"This may bseen childish but, there are senstive people here, and they dont want to look like there a idiot here.....thats why they leave the idiots make them feel like idiots cause they asked a question they didnt kno......"

And then here:

"is that people dont feel like home and they feel like they are dumb, and shouldnt be here so they leave, they just dont want to start an agurment, so they leave"

It's their choice to leave. If someone cannot handle an "idiot" or cannot handle people disagreeing with their advice over the internet they have a big problem IMHO. i still do not see your point. You want what exactly? To force "mean" people to go away and force people who don't want to stay and give advice to stay?

They made the choice to leave. No one forced them. If all it takes is a sily kid giving bad information on the net to make them leave, then that's their problem. Whining about it and starting threads is making the problem WORSE not better. You and you alone decide what you take from the forum.

Marisa

[marisa]

DankZoo I made sure to reread your posts to as you say "get back on track"

If I assume correctly, this sentence sums up your position
"Not getting into specifics, however, do not question people who have experiance, have knowledge, and are trying to help you. An epidemic of posts by people who are giving information about chameleons by their one experiance and what they have read, and telling people with much more experiance they are wrong does not make sence to me. Information that I, after 4 years have owning chameleons, and now about to obtain my fifth, is still cautious about giving out. Information I feel is best left to the experts, not an internet article written by 'Big Bertha'."

Basically, again correct me here, but you are upset that people are offer advice they either are not qaulified to give or are wrong about.

What exactly do you want this forum to do about that? Boot anyone off you don't think knows enough? Obviously that's extreme example but I am not sure I understand why you started this thread.

You are either going to allow these people to frustrate you to the point you will no longer help other cham owners out, or you will buck up, take what you want from this forum and learn to deal with and ignore the idiots. If it were as simple as getting rid of people we don't like, then the world woudl be a far different place.

You said "get back on track" then highlighted my name. Why because I don't personally agree with you? That's what this forum is all about. Not agreeing, debating. If people are giving uneducated information about chams, why would that make you or anyone else want to leave? Wouldn't that make you want to work harder to get the correct information out there?

Like I said, its your choice and your choice alone to leave or not post. No one else can make you leave.

Marisa
P.S. I'd like to add that I have involved myself in this thread because I think its a travesty to lose people who know thier stuff all because they cannot simply ignore fools, or stick up for their information and debate why they are right. It's a shame to loose some smart people all for such silly reasons. This is the internet folks. Just the internet.

[choriona]

Well, as a member here since the summer - I just want to say that I really enjoy coming here. I like that i can type a question that has been bothering me, and get answers back in a matter of a few hours. I could seek out the info on the net myself, but i like it when others take a new perspective on my dilemma. I like reading about the problems of others, or the stories on how their animals are doing. I usually check this site once a day. I may not post much, but I am around and reading what is going on.

Dank - Personally, i don't understand how you are feeling this way. I don't think there has been any ill advice given in this forum in the past month. I do recall the one argument, but after it was dropped, life went on. If any ill advice has been offered, it is quickly pointed out.

I think maybe we are getting too wrapped up in being human. Correct me if I am wrong, but was this site not created for the exchange of information with the ultimate goal of educating the public on better care of their reptiles? This site is for them, not for us. If something works for you, put in your two cents. If you notice someone mentioning a technique you KNOW is wrong, say so. I also don't believe that years of owning an animal amounts to "experience". At the vet clinic, I see many animals coming in that have been owned for years and the animal is sick because of being put through years of inappropriate husbandry.

The ONLY thing we can do for the idiots of the world is EDUCATE them and hope they listen. I am sorry that you don't feel like sharing your information. But if its how you truely feel, it shouldn't be a great debate. You know what you can take and you know what you want to give back.

[dank7oo]

Again to marisa.
Certain things, yes, I am very frusterated with imformation given by people who are not qualified to give it. Thats a small portion though. Its people tearing good advice to shreads and then the good advice is not being followed because of some loud mouth. Obviously you do not see this as a problem, but us who know better sure as hell are at our witts end.

Jason

[meow_mix450]

lol im laughing real hard here, its really dumb but im not gonna bother with this crap here, so im just gonna move on

Meow

[marisa]

"Its people tearing good advice to shreads and then the good advice is not being followed because of some loud mouth. Obviously you do not see this as a problem, but us who know better sure as hell are at our witts end."

If this is honestly the reason you are leaving a forum then good luck, personally thats absolutly ridiculous. You are upset someone tore up good advice and gave bad advice, so you are going to leave the forum which leaves the forum with one less person who knows what they are talkign about. Right. That helps.

"but us who know better sure as hell are at our witts end"

For one do not assume I don't know better, is that not one of your complaints? People assuming things and passing it off as good information? Second, there seems to be a lack of people agreeing that this forum is going downhill. In fact almost everyone else who posted said buck up.

I am also done with this. You guys are looking at this the wrong way IMHO and you are letting internet people bother you to a point you won't help out anymore....ie.. letting someone else's internet behaviour actually cause you to do something you don't want to do. Ridiculous.

Done
Marisa

[drewlowe]

Originally posted by meow_mix450
i kno 3, trace, eyespy and now mrsogle(spelling) and we are just about to loose dank7oo, and i thought of going, but ill stay a little longer......
Meow

I understand trace and eyespy but mrsogle. Mrsogle wasn't here very long and i haven't seen that person giving out tons of knowledgable info. She/he can't even handle a healthy debate, I disagreed with her info and s/he automaticly thought i was arguing and trying to him/her down, come on people lossen up if someone doesn't agree with you, it's not the end of the world. Sorry but not everyone is going to agree with every aspect of care, people need to get over it. This is a place to learn i still learn new stuff everyday even on the animals i have kept for a few years, if it wasn't for people disagring, and asking question and for the source of the info, and approching the subject in a mature way then nobody will learn. Just because you tell me this is how it's done, that doesn't i'm going to do exactly that without the proper research to back it up. I'd be a fool if i automaticly belived everything everyone said over the net. Asking questions is how you learn.

If it wasn't for trace and a few other members ( i think dank zoo even helped not sure i would have to go back to that post and check) I wouldn't know what i needed to know about Neo in enough time. I thanked them in the post i don't think people have to go around thanking that person a hundred times just to make that person feel better or appreciated.

Dank zoo thanks for your time and effort that you have given and for all the archived posts that i can go back and search if i have a question that needs to be answered. If you decied to leave, i wish the best to you, if you decied to stay you should know that some people do appreciate your help, even if they don't say it every day.

Jamie

[Dark_Angel_25]

*sigh*

You can please SOME of the people MOST of the time
and
ALL of the people NONE of the time

That is the way of the world. nothing you can do about it. sad, but true.