pinkie death

thanks..... also with freezing you lose a lot of the good cells that make up most of the feed. it's just the crappy none nutritional stuff left.

funny a closed system (the animals body) doesn't allow loss. Sorry marylyn101 but your statement makes absolutely no sense and is wrong. Put a batch of green beans in a ziplock and beat it/freeze it to death, all the nutrients are still there(in the ziplock), no where else to go.

[Siretsap]

Actually, that is false too, evalute your frozen vegetables once you thaw them, you will see they have less nutriments in them. Open a can of vegetables and you will have more nutriments in it than your bag of frozen veggies becuase the veggies are kept in a saturated water base solution.

As for flicking a pinky on it's head, I still find this a cruel way, you can't have a 100% success ratio while doing this so a few are bound to suffer from hemmorage to the brain.

[northernsnake]

What a f%#@ing jocke stop playing with the food and just feed your animals. Put them in a ziplock open the freezer door and put them in and walk away!!! mabe some of you should get rid of your hreps so you can play with your rats!

[Zoe]

That was a very closed-minded statement, northernsnake. I breed rats to feed my snakes, but they are also pets. I have a lot of fun working with them and raising them. Eventually, many must die to be fed to a snake. Just because the food chain works that way and because I'm raising rats for that particular purpose, it does not mean that I should kill them inhumanely; they are still living creatures that feel and they deserve to be put down accordingly.
Not to mention that for different people, different animals mean different things. Just because YOU have no problem with brutally and cruelly killing an animal, it doesn't mean that other people don't.

Zoe

[northernsnake]

I have pet rats to all are rats get spoiled by me and the kidds. but some times you just do what needs to be dun and get it over with!

Actually, that is false too, evalute your frozen vegetables once you thaw them, you will see they have less nutriments in them.

sorry but you have to back this up with something besides your opinion, show the reasearch that backs your statements that fresh+frozen decrease nutrition without any other cooking/treatment. I have played this same game with folks that say freezing meat reduces nutritional values, bottom line is the assumption doesn't make it in the research papers. you have the science/research to back your claims I'll quickly apologize and change my statements/opinion/advise until then...

[Siretsap]

well in taht case same as you find me the research that proves your theory.

http://www.niddk.nih.gov/health/nutrit/pubs/myths/
Myth: Fresh fruits and vegetables are more nutritious than frozen or canned.

Fact: Most fruits and vegetables (produce) are naturally low in fat and calories. Frozen and canned fruits and vegetables can be just as nutritious as fresh. Frozen or canned produce is often packaged right after it has been picked, which helps keep most of its nutrients. Fresh produce can sometimes lose nutrients after being exposed to light or air.

you want more?

[Siretsap]

yeah, I want the proof frozen are better than canned.

how about you put up some proof the it isn't. Your mouth is running but your not posting proof to back YOUR claims. Whats up with that, stop focusing this debate on me, back your stuff up. Sure I can keep posting back-up papers on my stuff, where is your stuff?
Hey Jeff, this get me into the put up or shut up club lol, flower or not the Rev don't play.

[C.m.pyrrhus]

Fresh greens, fruits and veggies will loose their nutritional content to light and air. Also, after time, they begin to break down (rot) and loss of nutrients happens as well. Frozen veggies, greens and fruits are a good choice, as this stops the natural break down of plant material. The cfrozen temps also will 'lock in' nutrients into the plant material, with a slower loss of them. Just like your milk in the fridge...it also looses vitamins due to light and air. Thats why the healtheir choice is to purchase cartons over plastic jugs. Light destroys vitamins. Light destroys nutrition. Go to the vet and get a prescriptioon for lets say....Antibiotics. Light will also destroy the content here as well. Heck, light bleaches if given enough time to do so.

For those who say frozen foods are a bad choice, I feel it is wise to pick up a book and read. Myths are only that, myths....

thanks for the back-up there Cm, surprising how many folks talk without knowing what they speak of lol. Glad to see others do their research, I would hate being a loner lol.

Siretsap where are you, where are your research links, what happened to your vehement support for your beliefs? Come on, I like folks showing me to be an idiot(note spelling for idiot for your next posts), so prove me wrong. The Rev likes these silly games so don't quit playing I want to allow you to make youself seem the idiot . Ok mods I understand, go ahead and delete this post enough folks probably have already seen it to make their call on truth lol.

[Siretsap]

lol ok let's see who will be the idiot.

http://www.kidney.ab.ca/kidneys/diets/tips/canned.html

Canned Foods
Canned food is the original convenience food. It is easy-to-use, versatile and readily available. The canning process itself preserves the food sealing in freshness, flavour and nutrients for up two years, preservatives are not needed. Anything added to canned food is simply there as flavour enhancer. Salt and sugar are often added but they are not necessary for preservation. A wide range of low no-sodium and reduced sugar or sugar-free varieties are available for individuals special diets. These are a great option to increase variety in the diet.

Frozen Foods
The technology to freeze certain foods provides you with the ability to
buy a variety of out of season produce year round, without a large difference in nutrient composition.

Most vegetables are “blanched” before they are frozen (to stop enzymes from spoiling the produce). This means that they are boiled at a very high temperature for a short time. This process can sometimes lower the nutrient values (including phosphorus and potassium); however, there is not a large difference in nutrient composition.

So here you go, happy now?

note that I never intented to make you look like an idiot, I just said that frozen don't have all the nutriments. Canned is better, but got to be a saturated water solution like I mentionned.

ok, back to the original post on this thread. I don't know of anyone that blanches their pinks before freezing them. Again we come back to the point of you saying frozen loses nutritional value, again I ask you to back that claim. We don't parboil, we don't do anything but toss a mouse into the freezer. Where is the nutrition loss and back that with research?
me happy? never I like to argue too much.