interesting debate topic - Page 3

**Aaron_S** · 09-10-03, 05:20 PM

I was going off your last line where it says "But an already dead dog or cat,heaven forbid!!!"

But I do agree with what you have said,nobody thinks of what we eat when talk about feeding snakes this type of prey item. It is society that has done that to us. The animals we eat had a life too but since we were rasied that are nothing just our food we do not care. Where cats and dogs are our pets not food.

I don't even think vegetarians can say anything cause to have fields to grow veggies and fruits farmers would have to cut down more forest and trees and destroy more ecosystems which in turn destroys the environment.

Just like Mousakilla said..our bodies get eaten by worms,maggots and anything else lying in the dirt after we are gone and buried. so in the end it is one vicious circle of life.

Siretsap · 09-10-03, 05:24 PM

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Originally posted by aaashrimp
Tell me Siretsap, have you ever had a piece of bacon? How bout some fried chicken? They are some of the "higher" and moreintelagent animials there, however, there are no animals treated with more cruelty and disrespect in the world, billions are tortured and sluaghterd every year.
Yet people don't give them a second thought.
But an already dead dog, or a cat, heaven forbid!!

I know what you are talking about. That is what I am trying to explain. People that associate with cats and dog will not be willing to do this. A seagul, now many people run them over withtout pitty?
Chicken, I ahve seen videos of what they do to them when they prepare them for the market...

LurkerAccount · 09-10-03, 05:38 PM

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don't even think vegetarians can say anything cause to have fields to grow veggies and fruits farmers would have to cut down more forest and trees and destroy more ecosystems which in turn destroys the environment

Wow, never thought about it that way.....

I've seen those videos too, those are mostly the large corperations thoguh, like KFC, those bast*rds, I boycott them and steal there lights.

**Aaron_S** · 09-10-03, 05:44 PM

Sorry forgot to give credit where credit is due. My thought on vegetarians came from a comment from the original article.

MouseKilla · 09-10-03, 05:50 PM

Aaron,

I'll admit that it gets a little murky when you compare relatively equal animals, such as a cat and a rabbit. Rabbits are often used as feed where cats aren't. I'm not saying that this is logical, sometimes we are arbitrary about which animals we kill and I won't defend that. What I was trying to illustrate is that sometimes it's obvious that one living thing IS more important. If you don't like the bee analogy how about the cancer one? Is a doctor a murderer for killing the cancer to save the human? Does the cancer have an equal right to exist? Of course it doesn't, that's just stupid. For that reason I think it is OK to eat animals for survival, however it would be better to eat plants if available because while lettuce is technically alive it is of a lower life form than the pig you talked about. The reality is that for one thing to live something else has to die. I think all we can do is kill the least valuable form of life possible. Don't eat people when you can eat beef, don't eat beef when you can eat lettuce.... Man, I'm hungry... Hot dogs aren't made of animals are they?

LurkerAccount · 09-10-03, 05:59 PM

I still say you should boycott KFC and steal there lights.

LurkerAccount · 09-10-03, 06:00 PM

Does anyone disagree with that??
Anyone??
??

**Aaron_S** · 09-10-03, 06:03 PM

Like I said it is just one vicious circle and you said it again when you stated "The reality is that for one thing to live something else has to die." That is completely true. The cancer analogy does work but since others have said bacteria deserves to live then surely cancer is just an entity that is trying to live its life. If we happen to be it's choice "habitat and food source" then that is that. But like you said for one to survive something needs to die, so we kill it. And that being said if reptiles need to survive is it then ok for prey items such as a cute puppy or kitten to be eaten?

Also I state previously if you want us to live off lettuce we will destroy more land doing that. It can't be done and it can't be done so that we only live off meat. There has to be balance there.

**Aaron_S** · 09-10-03, 06:05 PM

I am not commenting on boycotting KFC. Although stealing their lights is mighty tempting lol

Siretsap · 09-10-03, 06:06 PM

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Originally posted by aaashrimp
I've seen those videos too, those are mostly the large corperations thoguh, like KFC, those bast*rds, I boycott them and steal there lights.

Ever tought of stealing their big advertisement that is in the form of a kentuky bucket? Taht would be sweet on the top of your car heading down a highway.

LurkerAccount · 09-10-03, 06:11 PM

Nope, cause I don't have a car, but I do have grand idea to really really piss them off.... hehe, I wouldn't want to say on this though, just in case....

Bryce Masuk · 09-10-03, 06:16 PM

What makes life more valuable then other life? If you See it though Religious eyes is not all life equal? (This isnt my personal Thought) Who gets to judge Which life has more value? Us? What catagorys Are we looking at and why?

My thoughts are Those puppys Are dead Already Why not make use of them. My thoughts on animals that are living are Kill what you want use what you kill Endangered Species Are the Weakest of all species And Those who adapt Will Continue to live And Diverge into new species overtime so who cares

HeatherRose · 09-10-03, 06:27 PM

Getting back to the original topic....:P

As much as it sucks for the animals to go to waste, the backlash from parents and the community once their kids told them 'what happened in science class that day' isn't worth it. If the situation was explained fully, I really think only a handful of students would understand, if that.

On the topic of animal equality...certain animals have been domesticated because they appeal to us, as pets and companions.... others dont ....a lot of people prefer the more appealing fuzzy forms of life than the not.

This might not make sense......but if someone you loved died, how would you feel about them being put to 'good use' ie. organ donation, etc, before they were put into the ground? I think it's the same...even if it wasn't their pet, fuzzy animal lovers might just not like the idea of it, regardless.....but I understand we're not talking about using people's pets here.

MouseKilla · 09-10-03, 06:27 PM

Aaron,
I'm actually not suggesting that we live on lettuce and you gave a good reason why it may actually do more harm to try, though the same damage is done when factory farms supplying McDonalds clear cut rain forests for grazing as would be done through agriculture but that's all a different debate. I guess my point is that we should attempt to do the least amount of harm. I think it is less harmfull, overall, to kill the mouse than the cat just as it's better to kill the cancer than the man. That being said, if there were no other food source then I guess a cat would work and if it was already dead then all the better.

As for the KFC, I'm down with boycotting it but not cuz I care about chickens. I boycott it already cuz it tastes like sh*t. If you want to boycott a company for inhumane activity then boycott all the fast food places plus Walmart and Nike for their inhumane treatment of their employees.

**Aaron_S** · 09-10-03, 06:31 PM

I understand what you are saying with the Mcdonald's. I didn't say that was right to clearcut rainforest for grazing. But most people see that but don't see the same thing with vegetables. There is only one way to cut back on that type of clearcutting. That is to stop eating at fast food places. They probably use more beef then anyone.