handling "nippy" snakes

[MontyPython]

Originally posted by chondro python
No such thing as a agresif snake no mater what it dose to you I have a 6 foot retic that bit me on the neck an it is not a agresif snake.

Yes he is Gino, that's how this whole debate got started!

[ReptiZone]

OH I might have faild to mention that he didnt just wake up one morning and say I am gona bite chondro.
It was my fault I got biten I did not take the proper precautions I went from laid back boa to newly aquierd and also nervous retic. It was a recipe for a blody boody part. Retic's are Retic's you need to take your lumps or stitche what ever what ever the case may be if you want to have them. Cause whether we like it or not we will be hit sooner or later it is not the snakes fault if we are not doing things right.

there is 2 kind of herpers in the world the one's that wave ben biten and the one's that will be biten.

it is not a snakes aggrresion that gets us biteh it is human stupidaty that gets biten. If we know better but don't do it and get biten well tough luck I dont pitty thows ppl wether it is a corn or retic or a king cobra.

we set our selves up to deal with this then when we get biten we should not be blaming the snakes aggression caus most likly we get biten that means we are too close for the animals comfort and if we get hit well that means we are dame close.

animals are not aggressive they are affraid and when they are affraid the deffend them selves and ppl call it aggression well it is not aggression it is called fear.

[tHeGiNo]

Ok to clear things up, when he says they aren't aggressive I am pretty sure he is saying they aren't aggressive towards humans, and therefore when they bite us it isn't through aggression. Im sure he will agree that they possess a different kind of aggression when referring to capturing prey, for a decent example.

[ReptiZone]

well pf cors they have a aggressive feeding responce but that in no way means the snake is aggressive. Man ball pythons can have an aggressive feeding responce. But you dont see ppl bradinding them as aggressive snakes.

So plz tell me why a snake that has a Active deffence in stead of a pasive deffence branded a aggressive snake.

[MontyPython]

Originally posted by chondro python
well pf cors they have a aggressive feeding responce but that in no way means the snake is aggressive. Man ball pythons can have an aggressive feeding responce. But you dont see ppl bradinding them as aggressive snakes.

So plz tell me why a snake that has a Active deffence in stead of a pasive deffence branded a aggressive snake.

A passive defensive snake is a dead snake, that's why! Chondro, are you saying that no snake, no matter how big, or how small, venomous or non is not aggressive?

I'm still not a believer in the no snake is aggressive theory. How about we say there are different levels of aggression when it comes to snakes? Such as they have an aggressive feeding response, I know my ball python does. Also, they have an aggressive defence, they bite you when you get too close, some without being provoked. Your snake that bit you was acting out in a defensive aggressive behavior. No? I hope this has cleared a few things up about aggressive snakes. Chondro, you had some good arguements and I think we have both learned a little in this situation. Can you see where I am coming from now? Snakes are aggressive to a degree. If you have anything more to add, be my guest!

Brian Martin

sign your real name for once though! hahahah

[ReptiZone]

a ball python has a passive deffence it balls up to deffend it self. Retic's mock strike and bite to deffend them selves. that is the diffrence.

and yes I have some good points even with my crapy gramer and bad ways of explainig my self.

I also see that you are seeing my points. you just seem to use the term aggressive too loosly witch I think we all do some times even I slip and say a snake is more aggressive then others.

I think you will see my point the next time you get biten and say wait a min this is not normaly an aggressive snake what is going on here then you will slap your self up side the head and say that is what "I" did wrong it was not the snakes fault.

this was realy fun debating with you but I do think we under stand each other and have traded some good knowlege for all the ppl that may acctualy take the time to read thei whole thread. so until the next debat.... Remember to count all your fingers B4 AND after handeling a crocodilian over 10 feet LOL just had to sai it.

Marc Doiron

[MontyPython]

Very well said!

[tHeGiNo]

Agreed And a swell conclusion.

[annoying_alien]

To make it much less hassling to get them
out of the cage, feed them in a cardboard box, or the like, outside the cage.

If you feed it in its cage, most snakes will
get used to things entering the cage being
food. Then you stick your hand in, and OW!

[MontyPython]

Are you speaking from experience or speculation? I have never been bitten by my ball and I reach in his cage everyday to change the water.

[Gary D.]

Just thought I'd throw this into the ring. Bears, Lions and Crocs were listed as agressive in that they have been known to attack man in a predatory fashion, well so have Af-Rocks. I have also known a male Af-rock that would sit peacfully in the corner of his enclosure for most of the time you were in the room. Then slowly move across the cage TOWARDS you. And if you strayed close enough, he would strike the glass hard. That I would classify as agressive, as the snake was the one to innitiate the events.

While I agree that most snakes act agressive to humans in a primarily defensive manner, I don't agree with painting all snakes as "non agressive" on that model. Because that is not 100% true.

GD

[MontyPython]

THANK YOU! Finally someone that agrees with me

[Invictus]

Here's what we do with snakes who are either extremely bitey (Like the Vietnamese Blue Beaty pictured here) or for snakes that we have just acquired and don't know of their tendencies yet. Notice the thick warehouse gloves which I wish I was wearing when our new adult albino king decided to attack me:

[ReptiZone]

manly because I hate gloves this is what I use to handel nippy snakes.