Docile, and beautiful snakes for newbies

[TRD]

Originally Posted by Aaron_S

I don't know of any blizzard milk snakes.

Well, if you would consider Lampropeltis as a genus and not go milksnake specific, then there are a few blizzard morphs around.

f.e. the normal cali king has a whole bunch of morphs and would fit his bill... Some examples of morphs here;

Selective bred morphs - Southern California Kingsnakes

[Aaron_S]

Originally Posted by TRD

Well, if you would consider Lampropeltis as a genus and not go milksnake specific, then there are a few blizzard morphs around.

f.e. the normal cali king has a whole bunch of morphs and would fit his bill... Some examples of morphs here;

Selective bred morphs - Southern California Kingsnakes

Originally the lucy grey-bandeds popped into my head but I wanted to keep it strictly to Milksnakes. However you'd be more correct than myself.


As for white ball pythons. $200+ is generally the price range I see now for babies.

[PredatorPraetor]

Originally Posted by TRD

Well, if you would consider Lampropeltis as a genus and not go milksnake specific, then there are a few blizzard morphs around.

f.e. the normal cali king has a whole bunch of morphs and would fit his bill... Some examples of morphs here;

Selective bred morphs - Southern California Kingsnakes

I didn't see one like the blizzard. Though the twin stripe one looks like a garter snake sort of


Some of them I like, but there is no pure white one that stays white and doesn't yellow over age? (kind of reminds me of how certain plastics yellow over age). Still very pretty and would feel comfortable with those.

[PredatorPraetor]

Originally Posted by SerpentineDream

It sounds like a blizzard corn is your snake. A regular blizzard with no other genes like stripe or Tessera should be affordable. They get a bit of yellow around the neck area as they age (most corns do) from the carotinoids in the fat of the mice they eat. Supposedly females tend to exhibit less of this. My male only shows a slight yellow area on his nose and along a small section of his neck. I actually find it quite pretty. It's a bright sunny yellow, not a dull dingy yellow. He's still 95% white.

Bah. I always wanted a purely white pet snake but I guess 95% is better than 50%

[PredatorPraetor]

Originally Posted by jjhill001

Corn Snakes are technically rat snakes. You could get a normal Baird's Rat Snake it doesn't have to be a morph because they aren't from NJ so you don't need a morph. If you go down to the colubrid section of the forum I've got pics of my female and male. There aren't many Baird's Rat Snake morphs just a hypo/albino and a San Antonio Zoo Line (from Mexico) and an Eastern Range in Texas Locality. I keep the East Texas Variety.

I know you want active, my male hides a bit by my female is extraordinarily bold and sits out like an idiot all the time. She's very entertaining.

To be honest I like the idea of an active snake (you know as snakes go anyways) but, if I can't really much have that I'd at least like one that doesn't hide under a hide/cave/rock/wood/etc

I'd like that even if it's doing nothing I could still look at it. I mean it'd basically be a pet rock-- but it'd be a pretty pet rock.

That, and the snake can't be big enough to hurt my dog. Which is pretty small.

[PredatorPraetor]

Originally Posted by jjhill001

Honestly, the intended purpose of the law is to keep people from collecting normal wild corn snakes from the State of New Jersey. There are several morphs that ARE naturally occurring. Like Okeetees, blood reds, Miami, sunkissed (isn't natural but the snake looks normal for the first part of its life)

This link has a list of cornsnake morphs. About 3-5 of them are normal wild type. There are tons more to choose from to be honest.

All About Corn Snakes

I wouldn't be my life on a veterinarian knowing crap about morphs. There is always a chance to be honest but I doubt that if it wasn't a normal morph that they would even say anything. If you're close to the border you can go to a vet outside the state or if its that much of a worry for you just get a king snake or something like that.

Yeah I just didn't wanna be one of those idiots on the news who goes and owns like a crocodile/alligator/giant potentially dangerous animal in the suburbs(or at all). It doesn't have to be dangerous, what I mean is, if it's going to attract unwanted attention by some chance I'd rather not go for it. But then again, if it's a corn snake I doubt anyone would even know if it's a corn snake or a rat snake. They maybe essentially the same but to them it could be a different species(sub species) or I wasnt the wiser or something... just dont want to deal with cops. NJ cops aren't particularly the most pleasant folk to deal with(no offense to any police officer out there)... from the kind of behavior I witness to regular law abiding citizens I'd rather not be giving them a reason to.

Anywho I am up north, so the border is a bit ways off.

[PredatorPraetor]

Man, I keep looking this stuff up and just by that link provided to me... makes me wonder are you people geneticists? You guys(well breeders) in general tend to know a ton of stuff about genetics....

I am pretty sure there's a science to it. Makes me wonder with all these colors and morphs(Rather impressive assortment I might add).. Has anyone made a snake that's black colored (like a jet black) with bright red eyes? I know it sounds silly but that would be some sick stuff right now.

[jjhill001]

Another thought, if you get a blizzard it's technically an albino so that would make it technically legal.

[SerpentineDream]

Originally Posted by PredatorPraetor

Bah. I always wanted a purely white pet snake but I guess 95% is better than 50%

If you like this guy (he's mine but the photo was taken by his breeder, Don Soderburg of South Mountain Reptiles) then you'll like Blizzards. I expect he'll have some hatching out in the next month or so. You could contact him and find out. You could also ask him if he's observed that females tend to show less yellow than males. https://cornsnake.net/index.php?lang=en



As for red eyes, that is a trait associated with amelanistic or albino snakes. Thus I doubt you'll ever see a black snake with red eyes.

[PredatorPraetor]

Originally Posted by jjhill001

Another thought, if you get a blizzard it's technically an albino so that would make it technically legal.

Blizzard corns are already perfectly legal and allowed(it was in the list)

[PredatorPraetor]

Originally Posted by SerpentineDream

If you like this guy (he's mine but the photo was taken by his breeder, Don Soderburg of South Mountain Reptiles) then you'll like Blizzards. I expect he'll have some hatching out in the next month or so. You could contact him and find out. You could also ask him if he's observed that females tend to show less yellow than males. https://cornsnake.net/index.php?lang=en



As for red eyes, that is a trait associated with amelanistic or albino snakes. Thus I doubt you'll ever see a black snake with red eyes.

Why do they yellow over times? Is there a way to prevent it?

Also, so it's impossible for there to be a snake of say a corn/rat, kingsnake or even ball python that is jet black (or tar black) with red eyes?

Weird, dumb question.. I know that there are animals that glow in the dark- and there are things like "Glofish" is there such a thing as a glowing snake? Not that I'd want one(would be pretty annoying to sleep near it) but it makes me curious.

What are the strangest snakes around? Even if they're not kept as pets- just rather curious about strangeness in nature.

[Tiny Boidae]

Glofish were invented as environmental indicators if memory serves me. Created by scientists before they were thrown into the market. They were able to do this because there are many examples of fish with bioluminescence in nature, and so they were able to create genetically modified zebra fish with this ability. There are no glowing snakes in nature however, and with all of the snake morphs in the market these days there really doesn't need to be one.

If you want to see weird snakes, then look around at some colubrids. Or just aquatic animals like the mud snake or the elephant trunk snake (the latter of which I find oddly unnerving). Although there are plenty out there with atypical traits and behaviors.

[PredatorPraetor]

Originally Posted by Tiny Boidae

Glofish were invented as environmental indicators if memory serves me. Created by scientists before they were thrown into the market. They were able to do this because there are many examples of fish with bioluminescence in nature, and so they were able to create genetically modified zebra fish with this ability. There are no glowing snakes in nature however, and with all of the snake morphs in the market these days there really doesn't need to be one.

If you want to see weird snakes, then look around at some colubrids. Or just aquatic animals like the mud snake or the elephant trunk snake (the latter of which I find oddly unnerving). Although there are plenty out there with atypical traits and behaviors.

Omg I like the elephant one! It's cute as the dickens but they get really massive don't they? Be too big to own. Wish they had other purely aquatic snakes like that- but aren't that big.

[REM955]

The elephant trunk snake is not a beginner. Just to make that clear. Was looking for care out of curiosity and they don't seem to thrive well in captivity. Not trying to be abrasive

I will echo the ball python by suggesting the black eyed leucestic BP. Pretty sure someone mentioned that or some variant. A quick search puts a price about $450 as a minimum (morph market).

I don't know how others feel about adding bull snakes as a possibility (I have no experience of my own), but I know Aaron had a white sided one at one point. Here's a link to a breeder: White-Sided Bull Snake
And an "blizzard" bull on FaunaClassifieds (Inactive): Blizzard Bull snake
The only complaint I think you might have is size.
They are the only other idea I can think of that match the color preference.

[RAD House]

Originally Posted by PredatorPraetor

Why do they yellow over times? Is there a way to prevent it?

Also, so it's impossible for there to be a snake of say a corn/rat, kingsnake or even ball python that is jet black (or tar black) with red eyes?

Weird, dumb question.. I know that there are animals that glow in the dark- and there are things like "Glofish" is there such a thing as a glowing snake? Not that I'd want one(would be pretty annoying to sleep near it) but it makes me curious.

What are the strangest snakes around? Even if they're not kept as pets- just rather curious about strangeness in nature.

There are some truly unique snakes out there. A few that come to mind are bush vipers, spider tailed horned vipers, thread snakes, dragon snakes, file snakes, and blue coral snakes. None of these I suggest keeping, but some great eye candy. If you are looking for something unique in the hobby you should check out rhino rat snakes.