Gtp x sd retic

[Aaron_S]

Originally Posted by jossh27

I'm not sure if you wrote it like this to be a jerk, or if its the way you thought people would best understand it... Probably both. So aside from selling them and tainting blood lines there's nothing wrong with it? Just people's personal feelings towards it.

Nothing about it being a jerk. Just a different way of saying it.

It's not personal feelings.

I forgot the end of it.

It would read "Jossh27 now has a clutch of babies that have muddled blood. The borders are now closed in Australia so there's no way to get new, real diamond pythons out so his dream is crushed and the hobby of the animals we want to keep pure are no longer available."

It's about preservation of what we have.

I have no personal care what people decide to do. It's completely shady though that people will/did do this (many on purpose) to make money off "pure" species.

The other part is people will unknowingly buy "pure" and breed these "pure" and then sell them "pure" when they aren't. It's a completely avoidable and unfortunate event for those who want specific locales and can't find them.

And even those who divulge they aren't pure can't keep track of all the offspring and they may end up being re-sold or bred as "pure".

Sad things for the rare species we can no longer import and for whatever reason it's generally rare species that are hybridized.

[jossh27]

you mean it would have read "little Jossh27".

i definitely have a clearer view of why people frown upon it now.

i don't think you think i was taking a jab at you Aaron, but just to clean and dust from the air... i wasn't

[reptiledude987]

I agree with aaron on this about watering down of the bloodlines. The point I wast trying to make was that for the most part the husbandry requirments for carpets are pretty similar. However the husbandry requirments for retics and gtp are quite different. so the problem is when the babies are born how are you going to have a habitat set up for them? what temps will you keep? what humidity levels will you need? how many babies will you loose dialing in these requirments?

[SnoopySnake]

Originally Posted by reptiledude987

I agree with aaron on this about watering down of the bloodlines. The point I wast trying to make was that for the most part the husbandry requirments for carpets are pretty similar. However the husbandry requirments for retics and gtp are quite different. so the problem is when the babies are born how are you going to have a habitat set up for them? what temps will you keep? what humidity levels will you need? how many babies will you loose dialing in these requirments?

I personally would offer a wide variety of temps and multiple humidity levels and see where they hang out most. I think a hybrid of these two may be interesting but not sure if it's really possible.

[Aaron_S]

Originally Posted by jossh27

you mean it would have read "little Jossh27".

i definitely have a clearer view of why people frown upon it now.

i don't think you think i was taking a jab at you Aaron, but just to clean and dust from the air... i wasn't

Nope. No worries. I was just having fun with the explanation. Paint a picture instead of just reciting what's been said many times before.

Just a different approach.

Like I said, I don't care what people do I just wish it was for less selfish reasons than "Because I can".

We as humans don't always have to do things just because we can.

[jossh27]

Originally Posted by Aaron_S

Nope. No worries. I was just having fun with the explanation. Paint a picture instead of just reciting what's been said many times before.

Just a different approach.

Like I said, I don't care what people do I just wish it was for less selfish reasons than "Because I can".

We as humans don't always have to do things just because we can.

i think we can all agree on that!

[millertime89]

Aaron is unfortunately 100% accurate. Although I don't think anybody could mistake a GTP x SD for either parent, it's definitely possible since nobody knows what they'll look like. I mistook a super ball (ball x blood) the other day for just a very large ball.

Originally Posted by reptiledude987

the biggest isse I would see with this cross is how would you keep the offspring? sure you could offer perches and hides if they decided to be arboreal or terrestrial. however how would you know what temps and humidity levels to keep. As these animals dont have the same needs. sure you could experiment but you could loose any potensial offspring withthis experimenting. also dont breed either myself but different incubation requirements could be an issue as well.

I don't think how to keep them would be much of an issue. Retics are already semi-arboreal and SDs I would say lean more toward the arboreal side than terrestrial. I would keep a cross exactly like a carpet or a carpondro and modify as needed. Temps and humidity between the species are fairly similar and I would err on the side of caution with higher humidity. Since GTPs need slightly cooler temps than retics for incubation I would err on the side of caution and have the temp at 88 degrees (GTPs need 87-88 and retics 88-90, but 90 will kill GTP eggs based on what I've been told) and keep the humidity at 90%. I would cut the eggs at day 55 and just remove a bit of egg shell but not actually cut the membrane and wait to see how long they take to come out. I would venture it would be 60-65 days since GTPs take 50-55 and retics 80-85 typically.

[Aaron_S]

Originally Posted by millertime89

Aaron is unfortunately 100% accurate. Although I don't think anybody could mistake a GTP x SD for either parent, it's definitely possible since nobody knows what they'll look like. I mistook a super ball (ball x blood) the other day for just a very large ball.



I don't think how to keep them would be much of an issue. Retics are already semi-arboreal and SDs I would say lean more toward the arboreal side than terrestrial. I would keep a cross exactly like a carpet or a carpondro and modify as needed. Temps and humidity between the species are fairly similar and I would err on the side of caution with higher humidity. Since GTPs need slightly cooler temps than retics for incubation I would err on the side of caution and have the temp at 88 degrees (GTPs need 87-88 and retics 88-90, but 90 will kill GTP eggs based on what I've been told) and keep the humidity at 90%. I would cut the eggs at day 55 and just remove a bit of egg shell but not actually cut the membrane and wait to see how long they take to come out. I would venture it would be 60-65 days since GTPs take 50-55 and retics 80-85 typically.

The best thing to happen to hybrids is for them to look ugly.

Much like the jungle corn. It's nothing to really look at so no one really cares for it.

[RAD House]

To me it seems the biggest problem people have with hybrids is that they may have to do more work to figure out the backgrounds of the snakes they buy. Little Johnny should have done a little more research if he really loved his snakes so much, and maybe he should know breeding snakes isn't the best business decision. Another lesson learned the hard way. I agree that some hybrids like jungle corns are less than attractive, but I also don't know if I have seen a cooler looking snake than an Imperial Pueblan in the hobby.