Oook where do I have to go to legally own a paleosuchus palpebrosus? (dwarf caiman)

[Minkness]

Yeah...

I won't get started on the animal abuse thing.

=(

[Kuamata]

See? Raised with 'em. This wasn't one of the victim cats, but she was raised with many litters of kittens, as we rescued them. Abigail is with my mother. She is very fat and happy, and loves lots of attention 'cause she know she's beautiful, lol.

Also got a pic of her with one of my old ferrets, but don't wanna overload the thread with my pics lol.

[Zoo Nanny]

He's a cutie. Too many of these dogs have lived harsh lives by the time they reach adulthood. He's a lucky one ending up with a loving home, many end up being bait dogs.

[Kuamata]

Originally Posted by Zoo Nanny

This is my friend Jacque's dog. He has an amazing story to tell.
Ray, Kanab, UT | I'm Not a Monster
'Vicktory dogs' travel road to rehabilitation seven years later ? Metro
If you are on Facebook he has his own page where you can follow his progress. Ray the Vicktory Dog

Oh, I know Ray I'm so happy he was saved <3

[Cmwells90]

Kuamata, I'm sorry to hear such a story. But it really shows you how much people understand about the social needs of dogs. If so few people fully understand dogs, what makes us think they'll try to understand any other type of animal, let alone non-social animals like reptiles?

[Tgunz127]

Originally Posted by Mikoh4792

More than one discussion can go on in a single thread.

Actually it was about dwarf caiman and how to get one

[Zoo Nanny]

How to get one and bring it back into a country where it is illegal to own.

[Tgunz127]

Sorry mikoh I quoted the wrong reply

[Tgunz127]

Originally Posted by ManSlaughter33

I thought this thread was about snakes... not a debate about dogs.

this is the one I wanted to quote

[ManSlaughter33]

Originally Posted by Tgunz127

this is the one I wanted to quote

Yes I know.. If you saw my post after that.... lol
also I realized that it wasnt a snake he was after, after I posted that.

[Jrich]

Originally Posted by Minkness

I think it was more of a comparison to different behaviors and personality not an actual comparison of social being.

So sating a carpet python has a tendency to nip, would be the same as saying so do dachshunds.

Saying a BP is chill would to say that a golden retriever makes a good family dog.

Or, saying that a responsible owner who has a known nippy snake will yake certain precautions to prevent the snake nipping a child. As should a dog owner, ect.

This is exactly what I was getting at. The reason why there are breeds of any kind of animal is because they have certain characteristics(physical/behavioral) that set them apart, they were bred for something specific. Retrievers retrieve, pointers point, bloodhounds for their incredible nose and pitbulls for baiting animals much larger and for fighting(not the case nowadays thank goodness but that doesn't mean the traits disappear). Yes there are many individuals that deviate from the norm but I won't ignore statistics and maybe pitbulls more than any other breed do end up in the wrong hands. Bad people or gangs wanting the big bad dog in town. To reiterate I do not advocate a ban on pits, I do not hate pit bulls but I really think they are dogs that require extra attention by responsible owners. It makes me happy to see them in loving homes living life the way they should. We could go round and round in circles on this and bring up the great conversation of nature vs nurture and what's above and beyond a dogs cognitive ability but really in the end it's something that man has done. Anyways, back to reptiles, I think they are way cooler.

[IW17]

First to the op, if it's illegal, then under no circumstances should you get one. Just no. Not to mention small or not these animals require zoo quality enclosures, with both land and water. Most people I know with dwarf caiman recommend 10' enclosures or bigger with a 2:1 water to land ratio.

As to the subject of pit bulls, it all comes down to bloodlines and ownership. Pit bulls historically were fighting dogs so they were trained to be trustworthy animals to people, otherwise they would be put down. But this explains their aggressive behavior to other animals. But over the years every jackoff gangbanger and lowlife has trained them to be guard dogs. And unfortunately this behavior gets passed down through the generations. This is why so many pits get labeled unpredictable. I know many many people with great loving pits that wouldn't hurt a fly. But these animals come from clean bloodlines where for generations have been bred for show. But buying from an unknown breeder, animal shelter, or rescue, leaves many unknown attributes. Which is why even if the animal is raised right, they shouldn't be trusted around children and other animals. I love these dogs, but the people who own them must take the proper precautions.

[Tsubaki]

Got not much to say in the caiman front, if you want to own one legally.. Move to a different country. And prepare to sacrifice at-least an entire bedroom to house one.


About the dogs.

It makes sense more (Recorded!) biting incidents happen with pitbull-like dogs, stupid 'tough' guys get one because of their reputation.. And proceed to f*ck the dog up. Yes, it is also easier to mess up a pitt than it is to mess up a retriever. But it is also unfair to say that the breed itself is therefor dangerous. No. Any person who raises any kind of dog wrong, has a dog that is potentially dangerous. Ban the pittbull, and there will be a new one.. (Shepherds, rottweiler, mastiffs, bulldogs, picks one) Anyone wanting any kind of dog, should know what they can and can not handle. Sadly many people just think they're perfect and can handle everything, those stupid people purposely raising their dogs wrong aren't helping either.

Some of it is unfair media as well b.t.w, at-least around here it is. A biting incident in my city. A small child got nipped in the arm, after slapping a Lab-boerboel mix, it resulted in a few band-aids. Media exclaimed it was a 'pittbull-like' dog that 'Ferociously' mauled a childs arm. Not saying that is ok that the dog bit, no way!! Just showing how easy it is to push everything on one breed. A teacup chihuahua who repeatedly bit a newborn baby in the face 2 years ago, leaving it scarred for life...Was announced as a 'dog' in the media. No breed, nothing. Would it still have said 'dog', if it has resembled a pitt even slightly?? And how many small dog bites go unreported? I think they would outrank any larger dog in the sheer amount of biting incidents, even if they cause less damage, it still doesn't change the fact that those dogs shouldn't be overlooked just because of that.

I would never ever leave any dog, not my own not any. Alone with a child, or any other pet. No matter how well trained the dog is. Accidents, even freak accidents happen. It is never ever worth the risk for me. Not because i don't 'trust' my dog, i rather be around to spot and resolve any potential issues as the leader, than let them resolve it themselves.. My dog is a rescued Am stafford, with an abusive and violent history. With allot of work her behaviour issues were resolved, now she is just a loving and sweet dog. There are still people who won't put their dog in the play-pen until i take mine out, even though she is just happily playing with the other dogs. These are often the same people who have no issue with their kids/dogs walking up to my neighbors cute looking weimaraner, even though that dog would shred up everything that moves. Now theres a dog that should wear a mandatory muzzle, or get a owner that can actually handle him.

The actual dog (breed) being the problem, and not the way it is raised or handled, is extremely rare (just look at what ceasar does). Those rare cases that the dog really has some faulty wiring, are definitely not more common or exclusive to pitts/staffords.

[Minkness]

I remember a few years back the 'bad' dogs were actually german shepards because it was coming out that through bad breeding most of the breed (in America) had mental issues and could go from laid back to attack for no reason. Even well trained police dogs had to be put down because they would attack the officer's family, or ignore the command to disengage a criminal, causing severe wounds. That's when they started to bring in other breeds as police dogs and revamp the breeding programs. That's a case of pure unpredictability as it was actually something wrong with their brains. =/

[IW17]

Tsubaki, very well put. And freaking gorgeous amstaff!!!