Reptiles & Emotions - Page 3

MDT · 03-06-14, 09:58 AM

emotion = "i love you"

instinct = "protecting eggs will ensure propagation of favorable genes"

Neurotransmitters involved? Yes. Emotion? No.

formica · 03-06-14, 10:01 AM

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emotion = "i love you"

instinct = "protecting eggs will ensure propagation of favorable genes"

Neurotransmitters involved? Yes. Emotion? No.

saying ''i love you'', is not an emotion, it is a response to an emotion

just as a snake protecting its eggs, is responding to an emotion, the action itself is not the emotion

Mikoh4792 · 03-06-14, 10:03 AM

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what further facts do you need? the Neurotransmitters Serotonin, Dopamine and Adrenaline are well documented throughout the entire animal kingdom, they peform the same functions across the board.

a snake does not need to be able to write a love song, in order to protect its eggs from predators.

I think the real issue here, is a misunderstanding of what emotions actually are - they are not a complex cognitive process which relies on intelligence, they are simply the base chemical processes which trigger behaviors, and in the case of humans, it also triggers abstract and complex thought patterns.

exactly, thats the problem, confusing emotion, intelligence and human thoughts/communication

I don't think you understand what my position really is. I agree with you that reptiles feel emotions like fear, pleasure...etc.

My position is that reptiles probably do not "enjoy" being handled nor do they love their owners the same way humans love eachother.... because some people do think like this and treat their animals as such.

MDT · 03-06-14, 10:10 AM

Yep Mikoh...I agree w you....gigantic face palm.

robertjnovak59 · 03-06-14, 10:28 AM

My female boa loves me! Every so often she gives me kisses. There are a few bloodstains in the carpet to prove it.

Mikoh4792 · 03-06-14, 10:35 AM

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My female boa loves me! Every so often she gives me kisses. There are a few bloodstains in the carpet to prove it.

That would be toughlove.

formica · 03-06-14, 10:38 AM

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I don't think you understand what my position really is. I agree with you that reptiles feel emotions like fear, pleasure...etc.

My position is that reptiles probably do not "enjoy" being handled nor do they love their owners the same way humans love eachother.... because some people do think like this and treat their animals as such.

are we talking about human behavior, or the emotion that is ''love''? I think we need to separate the two quite carefully

i agree that human behavior is very different, i'd also agree that snakes have no use of the kind of bonds that humans form (as I referred to early, human babies need parents to survive), although I am not sure that we can say for sure, that the emotion of ''Love'', which causes all sorts of complex behaviors in humans, is strictly a human chemical process

robertjnovak59 · 03-06-14, 11:01 AM

The only emotion that I'd say I've seen in a snake might be fear. Run for life, do anything to get away fear.

poomwah · 03-06-14, 11:07 AM

My daughter's corn snake loves her. You can tell by the way it responds to her. She picks it up and it poos on her. That's gotta be love :P

Mikoh4792 · 03-06-14, 11:07 AM

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are we talking about human behavior, or the emotion that is ''love''? I think we need to separate the two quite carefully

i agree that human behavior is very different, i'd also agree that snakes have no use of the kind of bonds that humans form (as I referred to early, human babies need parents to survive), although I am not sure that we can say for sure, that the emotion of ''Love'', which causes all sorts of complex behaviors in humans, is strictly a human chemical process

All I am saying is, snakes probably do not enjoy being handled... some people think snakes enjoy this the way furry animals enjoy being cuddled. Snakes also probably do not feel love the way humans feel love for eachother. Some people think their snakes "love" them.

Note I use the word probably...because I feel that is the best position to take since I do not have evidence to show that snakes cannot feel these "emotions". If I said snakes definitely do not feel love or enjoy being handled, I feel that would be the equivalent of saying that unicorns definitely do not exist. Unicorns probably do not exist.... and that's my position. It's different from being 50/50 and undecided.

poomwah · 03-06-14, 11:11 AM

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All I am saying is, snakes probably do not enjoy being handled... some people think snakes enjoy this the way furry animals enjoy being cuddled. Snakes also probably do not feel love the way humans feel love for eachother. Some people think their snakes "love" them.

Note I use the word probably...because I feel that is the best position to take since I do not have evidence to show that snakes cannot feel these "emotions". If I said snakes definitely do not feel love or enjoy being handled, I feel that would be the equivalent of saying that unicorns definitely do not exist. Unicorns probably do not exist.... and that's my position. It's different from being 50/50 and undecided.

This is one of the most well put and open minded opinions I've read on any subject

Mikoh4792 · 03-06-14, 11:29 AM

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This is one of the most well put and open minded opinions I've read on any subject

Why thank you, it comes naturally with reason and critical thought. Anyone can do it.

pdomensis · 03-06-14, 11:32 AM

and here we go about unicorns...

Mikoh4792 · 03-06-14, 11:36 AM

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and here we go about unicorns...

poomwah · 03-06-14, 11:37 AM

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Why thank you, it comes naturally with reason and critical thought. Anyone can do it.

from some of the things I've seen on some threads, I thought the world might be bereft of reason , lol