Prices of reptiles dropping - Page 3

shaunyboy · 10-18-13, 08:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Derek Roddy

This is the truest statement in the thread.

And "high quality" doesn't mean morph or "high price".

I'll give you an example. I recently had a buddy of mine complaining that he couldn't sell his jungle babies from this last year. The adults are average...at best. He was asking 150 shipped per pair.
Meanwhile, I produced a clutch that I sold out of in less than 3 weeks for 600 a pair.
My adults are "much higher quality" (and when I say that...meaning they are the best of the best available...high black and very neon yellow)

So, it stands to reason that people want "prettier" snakes than they do...."average snakes". I know I do.
And, when I go to buy any new animal I have my eye on....I buy the best that I can find available because I know that if they aren't....I won't be able to move the offspring when the time comes.

Of course, That also includes whether I'll actually breed the animals because I don't put stuff together unless I know there is going to be a market for it.
That said, there is always a higher market for "higher quality" animals than there are for average animals.

Not saying that average animals don't sell because different strokes for different folks but, overall.....that is the standard in the market.

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well put mate,thats what i was trying to say

cheers shaun

**Aaron_S** · 10-18-13, 08:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Mikoh4792

Sure no one is arguing against that. What I was arguing was people looking at normal snakes less valuably and ruining the hobby with morphs because of looks.

If we are talking about looks inside of a morph( a normal vs normal, pastel vs pastel) then it's an obvious that people will buy a better looking snake.

There was a bit of a misunderstanding and I admitted it was my fault for staying on a subject that was off topic.

You need to get off the internet dude.

The hobby of snakes is so vast that the stuff you see on forums and the internet is just a small part of it. So many people own these animals who don't really use forums or social media to talk about their animals. Guess what? They have normals usually.

The wild type of animals ebbs and flows just like anything else. Let's take pictus geckos for a example. 10 years ago there were no morphs but still a popular gecko that breeds like crazy. I bought a trio for $45 bucks back then. Now? I need to pay $50 for each one. Prices go up and go down based on production or importation of the animal. Normal animals are no different.

I think the problem you're having is that you dislike that animals are a market just like anything else. Supply and demand rule it and the fact it's a life isn't taken into account of it's value. Normal or morph it doesn't matter.

Mikoh4792 · 10-18-13, 08:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Aaron_S

You need to get off the internet dude.

The hobby of snakes is so vast that the stuff you see on forums and the internet is just a small part of it. So many people own these animals who don't really use forums or social media to talk about their animals. Guess what? They have normals usually.

Are you talking about people who own normals, or breed normals? And are you implying that the market outside of the internet and social media has a different attitude about this?

Starbuck · 10-18-13, 09:26 AM

I think yes, mikoh. I know LOTS of people who have a snake (or two or three) and yet know next to nothing about them. They do not go on forums or read extensively about new husbandry tecniques etx. Theynhave a snake because they like them, but the communitt as a whole doesn't interest them that much. These are the people who might think 'oh hey I could get a girl and have babies! Wouldnt that be cool!' And in some cases they don't even know about thengenetics or the true 'exemplary' animals of their particular species jn the first place...

**Aaron_S** · 10-18-13, 09:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Mikoh4792

Are you talking about people who own normals, or breed normals? And are you implying that the market outside of the internet and social media has a different attitude about this?

Who own them.

I am not implying. I'm fairly confident in it. I've been to too many shows and pet stores and hearing the random people chat away about things. They don't know a lick about forums or morphs or breeding really.

shaunyboy · 10-18-13, 10:07 AM

the picture i used in this thread showing a high quality Jungle.....

belongs to Chris Behof of the USA,the snake in the pic is called J Blaze

Chris has some awsome Carpets

cheers shaun

Mikoh4792 · 10-18-13, 10:16 AM

I saw that snake over at MP. one of the cleanest bands I've seen.

shaunyboy · 10-18-13, 10:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Mikoh4792

I saw that snake over at MP. one of the cleanest bands I've seen.

thats where i first saw it mate

i could'nt remember who owned him when i first posted the picture in this thread,MP seems to have been hacked,as my computer has barred the site due to software attacks...

so i pm'd Derek and he kindly told me it was Chris Behof

one of the best Jungles ive ever seen..

imo nothing beats a pure Diamond or high quality pure Jungle for looks

cheers shaun

**Aaron_S** · 10-18-13, 04:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Mikoh4792

I saw that snake over at MP. one of the cleanest bands I've seen.

The funny thing about you talking about "normal" jungle carpets and in particular, the one pictured, is that it's been line bred for those bands and yellows.

It's very unlikely it can be pulled from the wild with such vibrant colours and pattern.

My point is, how can you talk of "wild types" being popular when you aren't even talking about actual "wild types"?

Line breeding is just using the polygenetic traits just like I and others use mutations to get a particular colour or pattern.

Mikoh4792 · 10-18-13, 05:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Aaron_S

The funny thing about you talking about "normal" jungle carpets and in particular, the one pictured, is that it's been line bred for those bands and yellows.

It's very unlikely it can be pulled from the wild with such vibrant colours and pattern.

My point is, how can you talk of "wild types" being popular when you aren't even talking about actual "wild types"?

Line breeding is just using the polygenetic traits just like I and others use mutations to get a particular colour or pattern.

What are you on about? I fail to see the connection of the point I was trying to make between normals and morphs and your argument.

Am I not allowed to compliment a nice looking snake?

Mikoh4792 · 10-18-13, 05:07 PM

For the record there are high yellow and black animals from the wild. There are plenty of pictures of wild jungles that are just as vibrant. For example those from mission beach which can be seen in the book " The complete Carpet python". I can give you a page number if you'd like.

**Aaron_S** · 10-18-13, 08:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Mikoh4792

What are you on about? I fail to see the connection of the point I was trying to make between normals and morphs and your argument.

Am I not allowed to compliment a nice looking snake?

So I can't bring up another point without you being defensive? I'm trying to have a healthy debate is all. You're more than welcome to compliment a nice looking snake. I didn't say anything about that.

I said unlikely found in the wild but apparently I was off slightly in that statement but that one in particular wasn't pulled from the wild was it? It was bred for those colours I'm sure.

Among other species, no? Do people not breed green trees for blues,yellows or whatever? Nobody is satisfied with normals no matter what. It must be tinkered with.

I'm just saying that normals will always drop because no one cares for "normals" most of the time. They want something more flashy, even if it's in "normal" colours.

The good news is that as I said so many people are not online in this hobby that they all find homes, even the less attractive.

Mikoh4792 · 10-18-13, 08:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Aaron_S

So I can't bring up another point without you being defensive? I'm trying to have a healthy debate is all. You're more than welcome to compliment a nice looking snake. I didn't say anything about that.

I wasn't being defensive, I was questioning your point. Trying to have a healthy debate as well. However you did imply that there was something ironic about complimenting high yellow jungle carpet pythons. Just curious as to how that would be.

smy_749 · 10-19-13, 04:05 AM

How can jungles like the one above be considered normals? Its def not how they look in the wild...

shaunyboy · 10-19-13, 06:34 AM

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Originally Posted by smy_749

How can jungles like the one above be considered normals? Its def not how they look in the wild...

it's classed as a pure Jungle,that has been line bred for it's colours and pattern mate

so imo it's considered pure,but imo it's definitely not a normal or common looking Jungle.....

Jungles as clean crisp and bright as J.Blaze Chris Behofs Jungle, are a lot harder to find,both in captivity and the wild

there is a German Bloodline in Europe that produces similar great looking Jungles,but the majority of Jungles i see up for sale are dull and drab,average to below average looking specimens

cheers shaun