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Expanding on what aaraon was saying: it is my opinion that a woman (broad generalization) is less likely to showcase what she knows and flaunt it. Therefore, the females in our hobby that do have a vast amount of knowledge are generally over-shouted by some of the men on forums, even if they do not know half as much as said women. So to specifically answer your question, Lori, it is my opinion that the general way women present themselves in the reptile hobby is much more reserved than your general male would be.
That's a valid point.
Problem I see with it though is there's a lot of ladies with little knowledge who are loud soto speak and thus make the rest of the women in the hobby look bad too. It makes it difficult for those women you speak of to gain any respect or traction without working extra hard because a lot of women find it great to show their bodies.
I get it. That anyone has a right to their personal choosing but I think we should all strive a little to ensure you aren't hampering anyone else's ability to do something.
Also Matt, thanks for that link! I had no idea about her. Too bad she ended up being a bad example of anyone with venomous snakes. I guess the saving grace is the fact it was so long ago in the infancy of the hobby.
I'm not entirely sure of the meaning of this thread, since I was unaware there were any stereotypes. Though I'm sure as with most stereotypes it just isn't true.
I'm not sure why anyone would group all women together. No offense, but I think very little of most men. However, when I meet a man I look at them as an equal until they give me a reason to think less of them. The same goes for women. I look at them as equals until they give me a reason to think less of them.
My fiance could care less about all of my rodents and my snake.. The only animals he really cares for is the cats. It frustrates me that he isn't as fascinated by all animals as I am. I spend most of my free time researching animals of all kinds, and I have always done this since I was old enough to read.
I'm not entirely sure of the meaning of this thread, since I was unaware there were any stereotypes. Though I'm sure as with most stereotypes it just isn't true...
Stereotypes are true. They are founded in truth. Surely it isn't to an exact definition but they wouldn't be stereotypes without some truth!
If a women dresses a certain way, she should be addressed a certain way. If she wants to show off all kinds of cleavage, than she should expect and she 99% of the time does expect these type of comments, whether she admits it or not. Nudity doesn't need to be sexual? Why don't you tell that to your instinctive nature. Don't give me any of that rubbish. IMO a women who is posing naked for the entire world to see on the internet, has no shame and should be treated like she has no shame. They are seeking attention, and want to be looked at, if you don't believe it your a fool.
If a women dresses a certain way, she should be addressed a certain way. If she wants to show off all kinds of cleavage, than she should expect and she 99% of the time does expect these type of comments, whether she admits it or not. Nudity doesn't need to be sexual? Why don't you tell that to your instinctive nature. Don't give me any of that rubbish. IMO a women who is posing naked for the entire world to see on the internet, has no shame and should be treated like she has no shame. They are seeking attention, and want to be looked at, if you don't believe it your a fool.
It doesn't need to be sexual at all actually. As mentioned before there are civilizations where men and women live almost nude or fully nude. The men do not have chronic hard ons at the sight of breasts or buttocks. Our culture is just seriously sexually repressed which is why a little bit of skin sets people off. I'll say this over and over again. It's just skin, woopdeedoo.
I don't think you can use nude societies as proof, they are the exception, and clothing societies are the examples you should be looking at since they are the majority of the human population. Its not just our 'culture'. Its probably 95 % of the the world. The human form is attractive to the opposite sex, wider hips, larger breasts, whatever. Consciously and sub consciously, we have trigger 'traits' that we look for and find attractive. You can raise a child to think that humans are disgusting and monkeys are attractive if you try hard enough, but what does that prove then? That we are attracted to monkeys? ....Human beings are attracted to the bodies of other human beings, if thats not the case, its an exception to the normal. Big deal.
I don't think you can use nude societies as proof, they are the exception, and clothing societies are the examples you should be looking at since they are the majority of the human population. Its not just our 'culture'. Its probably 95 % of the the world. The human form is attractive to the opposite sex, wider hips, larger breasts, whatever. Consciously and sub consciously, we have trigger 'traits' that we look for and find attractive. You can raise a child to think that humans are disgusting and monkeys are attractive if you try hard enough, but what does that prove then? That we are attracted to monkeys? ....Human beings are attracted to the bodies of other human beings, if thats not the case, its an exception to the normal. Big deal.
I can use it as proof, because as long as there are civilizations that live in nude, it is proof that we don't need to sexualize the bare body. It's something modern society can learn from them. The majority is not always right.
Besides, wider hips and larger breasts are things that can be noticed even through decent clothing.
you can raise a child to think that humans are disgusting and monkeys are attractive if you try hard enough, but what does that prove then? That we are attracted to monkeys?
If I can raise a child to grow up with that kind of mindset it means we can also be raised to sexualize everything. It is bred into our collective mentality, not in our nature, as is the case with nude societies. They did not grow up constantly sexualizing the human form. We don't need it.
If I can raise a child to grow up with that kind of mindset it means we can also be raised to sexualize everything. It is bred into our collective mentality, not in our nature, as is the case with nude societies. They did not grow up constantly sexualizing the human form. We don't need it.
Honestly, you're now arguing something that isn't about the topic. You're talking about nature vs. nuture really and it isn't helping the discussion.
I used nudity as an example. It is not the reason I started this thread. I think that the behavior in general of some of the more vocal women in this hobby is in some ways automatically reflected in how women are regarded in the broader aspects of our community.
For example: we talked about how sometimes by avatar and username you'd never know the member was female. This is completely fine because it puts everyone on a level playing field.
There was a thread on here about girls and reptiles notice how there wasn't one called boys with reptiles?
I just don't think women are taken as seriously as men
We have some female members on here who have collections that outweigh most mens' in terms of size and badassary and it sucks that they have to work harder for the same recognition as their male counterparts because of the image some women create for all of us.
I used nudity as an example. It is not the reason I started this thread. I think that the behavior in general of some of the more vocal women in this hobby is in some ways automatically reflected in how women are regarded in the broader aspects of our community.
For example: we talked about how sometimes by avatar and username you'd never know the member was female. This is completely fine because it puts everyone on a level playing field.
There was a thread on here about girls and reptiles notice how there wasn't one called boys with reptiles?
I just don't think women are taken as seriously as men
We have some female members on here who have collections that outweigh most mens' in terms of size and badassary and it sucks that they have to work harder for the same recognition as their male counterparts because of the image some women create for all of us.
It's self inflicted sexism
I'd like to add that I've spoken with a number of members and there's a large majority of women who treat these animals as their "little babies" who like to "cuddle and kiss" and it does nothing but harm the image of women as a whole. They essentially "over care". Sometimes to the point of killing the animal. Proven here on this forum before.
This isn't how these animals are. Look at monitor care. If a monitor acts this way it is usually considered unhealthy.
I suspect this could be part of the reason there seems to be a higher turn over rate with women in the hobby than men. Proof of this is that over the past decade I see far more men still around the hobby/industry than I do the women who were ever involved.
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