Please Help - Cat Bullying

[Amadeus]

Originally Posted by Akuma223

Declawing shouldn't be allowed for domestic cats unless their feet are messed up. My friends cat needs to be declawed because he was born quite deformed and his claws are in all the wrong places, and stick out at random angles. Its not right otherwise.

Why is it not right?

[formica]

sure their feet will heal up, but why put them thru the torment in the first place? can you imagine how long your feet would hurt if someone cut your toes off?

Doing it for medical reasons where the cats life is in danger is the lesser of two evils - doing it because two cats dont get along - or worse, because a cat scratches the furniture (yep people actually do that!!!!!) - its just wrong. You dont need to put a cat down because it has social or behavioural problems.

argh this topic annoys the hell out of me, aswell as making me a bit sad that people can do this sort of thing. a bit sick too

[Amadeus]

Originally Posted by formica

sure their feet will heal up, but why put them thru the torment in the first place? can you imagine how long your feet would hurt if someone cut your toes off?

Doing it for medical reasons where the cats life is in danger is the lesser of two evils - doing it because two cats dont get along - or worse, because a cat scratches the furniture (yep people actually do that!!!!!) - its just wrong. You dont need to put a cat down because it has social or behavioural problems.

argh this topic annoys the hell out of me, aswell as making me a bit sad that people can do this sort of thing. a bit sick too

Does the procedure have the equivalent amount of pain that a human would experience when getting it's nails ripped off?

[Mark Taylor]

Originally Posted by formica

sure their feet will heal up, but why put them thru the torment in the first place? can you imagine how long your feet would hurt if someone cut your toes off?

Doing it for medical reasons where the cats life is in danger is the lesser of two evils - doing it because two cats dont get along - or worse, because a cat scratches the furniture (yep people actually do that!!!!!) - its just wrong. You dont need to put a cat down because it has social or behavioural problems.

argh this topic annoys the hell out of me, aswell as making me a bit sad that people can do this sort of thing. a bit sick too

I agree.

But they are just there opinions I am sure moshirimon won't resort to it.

[smy_749]

Its not the same as taking off a humans nails. Cats claws are how they keep themselves from falling, how they defend themselves if they ever get outside...they can't even play properly without their nails. Its more like having your thumbs ripped out then your finger nails considering they don't have 'fingers' and the fingers on the paws are basically useless .

[Mikoh4792]

Originally Posted by smy_749

Its not the same as taking off a humans nails. Cats claws are how they keep themselves from falling, how they defend themselves if they ever get outside...they can't even play properly without their nails. Its more like having your thumbs ripped out then your finger nails considering they don't have 'fingers' and the fingers on the paws are basically useless .

It's like taking the cat out of the cat

[Amadeus]

Originally Posted by smy_749

Its not the same as taking off a humans nails. Cats claws are how they keep themselves from falling, how they defend themselves if they ever get outside...they can't even play properly without their nails. Its more like having your thumbs ripped out then your finger nails considering they don't have 'fingers' and the fingers on the paws are basically useless .

I see. I was assuming it wash just like us having long hair or long fingernails.

[Mark Taylor]

Originally Posted by smy_749

Its not the same as taking off a humans nails. Cats claws are how they keep themselves from falling, how they defend themselves if they ever get outside...they can't even play properly without their nails. Its more like having your thumbs ripped out then your finger nails considering they don't have 'fingers' and the fingers on the paws are basically useless .

Not to mention they stretch the toe's I often see my cats caressing a wooden fence really digging her nails in and pulling away I think they do it stretch the there joints, just like we do when we stretch, they are extreme
free runners like jags and leopards

[Terranaut]

Hey I wasn't suggesting to run out and do this but if all else fails this would equalize the cats. I also did not let my cats out other than in my yard so defence was never needed. Again I would never do this unless very nessesary.

[Nataku]

People seem to be forgetting that cats can be trained.
Get an e-collar and train the aggressive cat that this behavior is unacceptable.
Don't know how to train a cat? Look up your local cat trainer, I'm betting unless you live in po-dunk middle of nowhere-ville there will be one. They can work with your cat to do this. Some use e-collars, some don't.
Although honestly, its very similar to how one trains a dog with an e-collar. The tap is to get their attention. As soon as they stop doing whatever behavior they were doing, you reward. Just generally food-reward based as opposed to affection-reward based because cats don't always want the attention for the reward, or their definition of 'affection' is too rough, hence the reason for training to begin with. Shape the behavior as you desire from there.

[formica]

there is not need to electrocute cats either! OMG.

these are not only horrible ways to train a cat, they show a complete lack of understanding for how a cat think and interact with one another.

negative reinforcement has been proven time and time again to be ineffective in the long term - worse still it produces negative/ damanging results in behavior modification

[moshirimon]

Thank you for all your replies. Some i agree with some i don't. I will not declaw, I will not shock, and i will not rehome. Things have been looking better. I've been kind of acting like a cat lol doing things they do, rarely even using words. Rather i have been stomping my feet and hands, hissing, using eye contact, and adding my own little touch of charging/bluffing. So far so good. Woke up this morning to find Puma actually ontop of Porscha this time. They looked like they were playing so i let it go on and they let eachother go with no hard feelings, and ended up laying next to eachother right after. I have came to the conclusion that I need to be the dominent cat in the family.

[Mark Taylor]

That's great news mate.

[LadyWraith]

My personal opinion... perhaps they are simply bored. A bored cat is a mischevious cat. Do you have multiple perches around the house where they can climb and/or look outside? When I have multiple cats, I find it best to give lots of perceived territory for each cat. Since they're not really social by nature, they need "me time". Also, more playtime with toys on your part can help. Wearing them out with constructive play time makes them too tired for fighting and quenches their natural prey drive, which is likely why the bully cat is picking on the other. Like I said, solely my opinion. :-)

[formica]

Originally Posted by moshirimon

I've been kind of acting like a cat lol

thats the trick to interacting with cats glad to hear things are looking more positive!

Originally Posted by moshirimon

They looked like they were playing so i let it go on and they let eachother go with no hard feelings, and ended up laying next to eachother right after. I have came to the conclusion that I need to be the dominent cat in the family.

thats a very good sign and yep, you are their surrogate mother cat and the boss

always worth keeping a box of cat treats around for when they are being calm and affectionate towards one another, they'll soon figure out the best way to get treats