The one and ONLY python BAN thread (HR511) - Page 20

Strutter769 · 03-01-12, 01:45 PM

I can live with paying a fee, it's all greed, but if I can keep my reptiles, so be it. I hope Illinois' actions are somewhat similar.

**millertime89** · 03-01-12, 08:52 PM

I'm ok with a permit system. I've said it before, its a step in the right direction.

But no, that hasn't passed yet, it was just "REFERRED TO COMMITTEE ON GAME AND FISHERIES, FEBRUARY 29, 2012". Its in between the second set of black lines. I didn't feel like retyping it.

Skumbo · 03-01-12, 09:21 PM

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Originally Posted by millertime89

I'm ok with a permit system. I've said it before, its a step in the right direction.

But no, that hasn't passed yet, it was just "REFERRED TO COMMITTEE ON GAME AND FISHERIES, FEBRUARY 29, 2012". Its in between the second set of black lines. I didn't feel like retyping it.

ah ok, im all for permits actually given how horribly ill-informed some people are resulting in snake suffering, but they'd have to be implemented correctly.

**millertime89** · 03-01-12, 09:53 PM

yup, I agree. A more expensive permit and a class requirement for any burms, retics, african and indian rocks, and 'condas as well, that would keep random people from walking into a pet store and buying one without realizing what they're getting their hands into. Hopefully.

Rogue628 · 03-01-12, 11:58 PM

I have no problem with getting a permit or license or even following mandatory guidelines required for keeping (like locks, etc). When I finally talked to someone at LARK (Louisiana ARK), I was told that I couldn't get a permit until my animals were at the 8ft requirement. I have a problem with this as this still lets anyone who thinks a baby snake is "cute" until it gets 6 or 7 ft long and they decide they can't take care of it anymore and let it loose.

The city to the west of me has a permit rule in their city ordinance for any kept non venomous snake over 3ft. The permit is free. All they want to know is that you have it (and where you and they live), if you sell it and to whom, if it dies, or escapes. You don't get a fine for an escaped animal as long as you have the permit. I hate when the government plays big brother, but this city ordinance doesn't really bother me since there's no repercussions as long as you have the free permit. I'd be fine with following it.

**millertime89** · 03-02-12, 12:15 AM

From what I can tell I would be ok with it as well.

Strutter769 · 03-02-12, 02:12 AM

Very, very bad news... But, being the rebel I am, I will most likely own 4.6 snakes in all by the end of next week. Last June, I owned 0.1. I think that says something. Not sure what, but it's GOTTA mean something.

They can pry them out of my cold, dead fingers! Ok, wrong attitude to have. Justin Meitz would've just punched me for typing that, but you get my point. Anyway, details below:

U.S. House Judiciary Committee passes exotic snake bill | Florida Independent

Time to flood the mailboxes of every congressman in the country. Yeah, you're right, unrealistic but we all have to do something to fight back!

Jenn_06 · 03-02-12, 05:43 AM

permit or license are great, ill be happy to pay to keep my snakes, but look at FL there you needed permits to but people still got burms and retics with out them. so the only people that are going to get permits are the ones that fellow the law, you are sill going to have the %$^$@^ people that will mess it up for everyone and just like FL they will just ban the snakes because everyone is not going to pay for the permits.

Strutter769 · 03-02-12, 08:20 AM

Interview with Brian Potter about bringing the fight to the State Capitol. They are hearing our voices, so keep the letter, phone calls and emails coming!

Anyone up for a road trip tovrepresent when he has to go back? If so PM me.

- Update from Illinois Senate hearing on 'Dangerous Animals Act of 2012'

Strutter769 · 03-02-12, 09:09 AM

And now we take a few steps back.

St. Charles County couple charged after snakes, rodents found inside home

Skumbo · 03-02-12, 10:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Strutter769

And now we take a few steps back.

St. Charles County couple charged after snakes, rodents found inside home

sigh.

"The amount is common" WHAT? WHO HAS 1000 REPTILES in their APARTMENT?!

also.. the stench was blatantly from all those mice/rats, not from the snakes...

another kid just murdered someone in ohio in a school, i dont see them passing new gun restriction laws there.. oh yeah.. cause these laws never work for anything.

exwizard · 03-02-12, 03:03 PM

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Originally Posted by millertime89

yup, I agree. A more expensive permit and a class requirement for any burms, retics, african and indian rocks, and 'condas as well, that would keep random people from walking into a pet store and buying one without realizing what they're getting their hands into. Hopefully.

Ok I know what youre saying and I do have a permit for big snakes. I was lucky enough to be able to attend a class qualifying me to get this permit. The problem is that these classes are rare and if someone wants to get a permit, lots of luck being able to enroll in the needed class. That person is in a catch 22. Of course even this permit does not exempt me from the 3 species that are banned in Iowa; Anacondas, Retics and African Rocks.

Spyral · 03-02-12, 03:34 PM

[quote=Skumbo;694931]sigh.
also.. the stench was blatantly from all those mice/rats, not from the snakes...
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In reading the article this has to be the case, as the representative from the herp society caring for the snakes said all the snakes were in clean cages, and well cared for. I know my red tail alone can stink up a whole room if I don't clean it right away. . .so his cages had to be kept clean or the animals would have been suffering as well.

Overall an outrageous article, and definitely paints the reptile community in a very bad light that is un-needed under the current state of exotic reptile and animal care. .

Skumbo · 03-02-12, 05:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Skumbo

sigh.
also.. the stench was blatantly from all those mice/rats, not from the snakes...
quote]

In reading the article this has to be the case, as the representative from the herp society caring for the snakes said all the snakes were in clean cages, and well cared for. I know my red tail alone can stink up a whole room if I don't clean it right away. . .so his cages had to be kept clean or the animals would have been suffering as well.

Overall an outrageous article, and definitely paints the reptile community in a very bad light that is un-needed under the current state of exotic reptile and animal care. .

We have one pet rat and it smells worse than cats do if you dont clean all the time, nevermind tons of them o.O

**millertime89** · 03-03-12, 01:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Strutter769

Interview with Brian Potter about bringing the fight to the State Capitol. They are hearing our voices, so keep the letter, phone calls and emails coming!

Anyone up for a road trip tovrepresent when he has to go back? If so PM me.

- Update from Illinois Senate hearing on 'Dangerous Animals Act of 2012'

I would so be down if I didn't have school. Seriously if I could ditch classes right now I would take of work and be there in the 9ish hours it would take me to drive there.

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Originally Posted by Strutter769

And now we take a few steps back.

St. Charles County couple charged after snakes, rodents found inside home

That's debatable at best. I would say most people would read some of the quotes like "they knew raising their children in this environment was wrong, but they just wouldn't get rid of their snakes" along with the fact that the snakes were kept in safe, clean cages and weren't exotic will just make the people out to be just a couple with mental problems.