Ringo and his habits

[Aaron_S]

Originally Posted by SkyesRingo

@Aaron S
I said having room to roam without having to worry, as in not having to worry about when your next meal will be, where you'll get water from, and not having to be cautious about predators.

Yet, you're assuming that your snake has the capacity to turn all of it's evolution and KNOW it'll always have those things even though it's placed in an a less than ideal environment with no familiar smells.

My analogy still stands. Just because you think it doesn't feel that way doesn't make it so. In actuality your snake is NOT roaming without worry or any of those things by your description of it's behaviour. In essence, you're being a bad snake keeper at this point.

[Aaron_S]

Originally Posted by SkyesRingo

@Aaron S I'm just trying to think logically and I'm a newcomer so please don't be so aggressive? I felt a little shot down by your response... I know I may seem naive and that question might seem stupid to you, but I'm still learning.

^However, if I took your tone in the text wrong, I apologize for my response. I AM still learning about snakes and I'm new to the entire snake world.

Thinking logically would indicate that you take what you know about other animals such as dogs and cats and throw it out the window when it comes to reptiles.

Cannot presume they act or react the same as those animals.

[lady_bug87]

Ringo will likely learn to consider you as part of his 'safe' territory meaning he will be OK with you touching him. And you have it right, people often confuse safety and tolerance with love and tame affection.

Keep handling him just maybe less often and for less time and as he gets used to not being grabbed every time he's out from hiding you'll see him more.

Oh and don't mind Aaron. He's like the old grump that yells at kids to get off his lawn.

[SkyesRingo]

Thanks lady bug (:

And Aaron I'm not being a bad snake keeper! My feelings don't effect how well I take care of him. He has an excellent vivarium, he eats on a regular basis and I keep his temperatures and humidity levels at great numbers. It was a simple little thought when I said being able to roam with No worries would be nice.
When I handle him, he is kept with me or near me at all times. So just because I have an opinion on things you don't agree with does NOT make me a bad handler.
No thinking logically means I put myself in the snake's position and try to think of what would be best and what would be worst. I'm not perfect so some thoughts may be flawed. However you have No right to chastise me on my opinions.
Just because someone has an opinion doesn't mean they will act on it. Ergo, I don't let him wander.
I feel like you're being very rude and a bully.

Once again, if I'm wrong I apologize but the tone I feel you write in is very threatening.

[smy_749]

I think Aaron is just pointing out the fact that , thinking logically from a snakes point of view, doesnt make any sense. We dont know if snakes use logic, enjoy, dislike, etc. etc.

You cant put yourself in the snakes position , its apples and oranges.
I wont say what is right or wrong because science is always changing as we advance further in knowledge, however based on what we know atm, Aarons opinion is more accurate.

Again, things change and questioning is how we learn new things, but putting yourself in his position is not realistic.

I don't believe snakes enjoy our company, but I dont believe explanations are as simple as we think. Keep an open mind in science, but make sure its a logical sound open mind

[Aaron_S]

Originally Posted by SkyesRingo

Thanks lady bug (:

And Aaron I'm not being a bad snake keeper! My feelings don't effect how well I take care of him. He has an excellent vivarium, he eats on a regular basis and I keep his temperatures and humidity levels at great numbers. It was a simple little thought when I said being able to roam with No worries would be nice.
When I handle him, he is kept with me or near me at all times. So just because I have an opinion on things you don't agree with does NOT make me a bad handler.
No thinking logically means I put myself in the snake's position and try to think of what would be best and what would be worst. I'm not perfect so some thoughts may be flawed. However you have No right to chastise me on my opinions.
Just because someone has an opinion doesn't mean they will act on it. Ergo, I don't let him wander.
I feel like you're being very rude and a bully.

Once again, if I'm wrong I apologize but the tone I feel you write in is very threatening.

Yet, you continue to miss my point.

[Evolieno]

Yikes! This thread brought up a lot of thinking. I apologize in advance, SkyesRingo! There is no tangible scientific proof proving whether snakes can bond, feel emotion, etc. As Smy_749 stated, "we don't know if snakes use logic, dislike, enjoy, etc". We don't know if they think/feel, use logic, etc. We also don't know if they DO. I think there's a difference between wild-caught and captive bred, my big CCP gal knew when I came into her room. And she always tried to get out when I did, it got to the point where I would simply open her cage and let her go where she pleased. Where did she ALWAYS go? She made her way onto me. She'd wrap her tail around my leg, and be curious for about 20 mins. She always ended up just resting her body on mine. Sometimes, when I sat down, she'd just hang out in my lap. I handled her daily. Her feedings were every 2 weeks. There was nothing in her enclosure to make her want to leave. Adequate heat, humidity, roaming space, hides, etc. I believe she knew my scent. Even when others handled her, she would always find her way back to me. Aaron, You can't be so aggressive about something that you have no tangible proof of. Or scientific proof... That simply makes it your opinion.

[Aaron_S]

Originally Posted by Evolieno

... Aaron, You can't be so aggressive about something that you have no tangible proof of. Or scientific proof... That simply makes it your opinion.

I guess I'll have to find my research and links again....

How about you do the same and prove me wrong.

[lady_bug87]

How about you all just take a pill?

[Aaron_S]

Originally Posted by lady_bug87

How about you all just take a pill?

Are you leaving trails of them again? I'll take those...