Breeding mice

[Mikoh4792]

Originally Posted by KORBIN5895

I used my teeth!



I have one thing I want you to do before you try co². I want you to make a bunch of co² in a sealed Rubbermaid container then once it has built up I want you to put your face right in and take one breath. Then tell me how you feel about gassing them.

Wouldn't he die?

[KORBIN5895]

Originally Posted by mikoh4792

Wouldn't he die?

No but he might wish he had. One breath of co² will cause his eyes and lungs to burn something awful. It could also make him experience quite a bit of nausea.

[Lupinus]

Originally Posted by KORBIN5895

I have one thing I want you to do before you try co². I want you to make a bunch of co² in a sealed Rubbermaid container then once it has built up I want you to put your face right in and take one breath. Then tell me how you feel about gassing them.

Sure!

At the same time, have someone hold your feet and someone else grab your head and yank. Let me know how you feel afterward, especially before they get some practice down to make the neck snap quick or the 5-10 seconds it actually takes to for the brain to go nini after the neck snap

These animals are dieing, there is going to be some momentary unpleasantness involved. Humane/inhumane is merely a matter of when that line is crossed and is causing undue suffering. There's a LOT of people, including the AVMA that feel the use of CO2 is perfectly acceptable and humane for small rodents.

Originally Posted by KORBIN5895

No but he might wish he had. One breath of co² will cause his eyes and lungs to burn something awful. It could also make him experience quite a bit of nausea.

I also don't think you have very many people who are saying you should fill a container with a high concentration of CO2 and then toss the mice in. Mice go in, then CO2 is introduced. Preferably slowly.

[KORBIN5895]

Originally Posted by Lupinus

. Let me know how you feel afterward, especially before they get some practice down to make the neck snap quick or the 5-10 seconds it actually takes to for the brain to go nini after the neck snap
.

I could tell by your first post on this thread you didn't know what you were talking about and now this statement proves it. Cervical dislocation destroys the brain stem which instantly shuts down the brain.

Also one of the co² methods that has been offered up is to add vinegar to baking soda which would not be q controlled way of creating co² therefore it wouldn't be introduced slowly at all.

Please stop giving advice about things you so obviously know nothing about.

[Lupinus]

Riiiight.

A difference of opinion means I "obviously don't know what I'm talking about"

[KORBIN5895]

Originally Posted by Lupinus

Riiiight.

A difference of opinion means I "obviously don't know what I'm talking about"

No. Your made up facts mean you don't know what you're talking about. Good try though.

[Lupinus]

You are more than welcome to look them up for yourself. I have, they are available. Would you like me to quote them for you?

All forms of dispatching a rodent are going to involve some level of unpleasantness for them. Being relatively quick and painless humane, being unnecessarily traumatic is not. Cervical dislocation is humane. CO2 done right is humane. Some other methods are humane. I'll take the advice of organizations and their studies in the matter, along with their published facts and findings, and go with one that I feel confident replicating so as to cause as little pain and trauma to the animal as possible.

If you feel cervical dislocation is a good method, great. I even agree with you that it's a good method, particularly on the scale most people are going to be doing it. But that doesn't make other methods inhumane or those that have no issue with them not know what they are talking about.

[KORBIN5895]

Originally Posted by Lupinus

You are more than welcome to look them up for yourself. I have, they are available. Would you like me to quote them for you?

All forms of dispatching a rodent are going to involve some level of unpleasantness for them. Being relatively quick and painless humane, being unnecessarily traumatic is not. Cervical dislocation is humane. CO2 done right is humane. Some other methods are humane. I'll take the advice of organizations and their studies in the matter, along with their published facts and findings, and go with one that I feel confident replicating so as to cause as little pain and trauma to the animal as possible.

If you feel cervical dislocation is a good method, great. I even agree with you that it's a good method, particularly on the scale most people are going to be doing it. But that doesn't make other methods inhumane or those that have no issue with them not know what they are talking about.

I have looked them up. I also have experience with most, if not all, of the major "humane" methods. My personal first hand experience proves that most people are incapable of doing co² properly and it is therefore inhumane. Now you can champion it all you want but it doesn't change the fact most people are incapable of using co² correctly.

[smy_749]

All the methods are inhumane when done wrong. Even cervical dislocation. Korbin is just referring to the fact that its not hard to learn proper technique in it, where as c02 in the way that most practice, is inhumane. If everyone took 10 tries on a mouse to do cervical dislocation, he'd say the same about that I'm sure. The proof is around, just go watch someone on youtube use c02, alot of the videos, if not most, show the mouse panicking and trying to escape, not falling asleep painlessly.

[missconduct5]

Originally Posted by KORBIN5895

I used my teeth!



I have one thing I want you to do before you try co². I want you to make a bunch of co² in a sealed Rubbermaid container then once it has built up I want you to put your face right in and take one breath. Then tell me how you feel about gassing them.

Just about as fantastic as when you use your teeth to kill yours. Save your judgements for someone who actually deserves them.

[missconduct5]

Originally Posted by mikoh4792

Wouldn't he die?

She wouldn't, no.

[KORBIN5895]

Originally Posted by missconduct5

Just about as fantastic as when you use your teeth to kill yours. Save your judgements for someone who actually deserves them.

Judgements? Please. I want you to have first hand experience with your chosen method of torture.... I mean euthanasia.