Burm Fanatic from Ohio...with a problem

[Aaron_S]

Originally Posted by StudentoReptile

I think you misunderstood me. I was not trying to advocate people breaking the law. I was merely trying to emphasize the ineffectiveness of such laws. The majority demographic (mostly responsible keepers) have to play by the rules and comply, while the people who the law was really written for, will likely continue to break it.

Its not just about reptiles, or guns, its everything. Traffic violations, domestic crime, fraud, etc...

Speaking about reptiles and not the rest of society I think as a community (which we just like to call ourselves) need to NOT back those kind of people when they get in trouble. We shouldn't rally behind idiots who keep certain herps because they are "one of us". We should throw them under the bus and make an example that the rest of us are not like them.

I make this point because someone brought up that we need to all stick together when it was discussed on another forum about the guy who was bit like 11 times by rattlers or something.

She had said we all need to rally behind him to keep his reptiles or whatever and that he's one of us. Him, and others who act like that, are NOT a part of the reptile community because they ONLY care about themselves and not the harm to everybody's hobby.

[Lankyrob]

^^^^^ This

[StudentoReptile]

Originally Posted by Aaron_S

Speaking about reptiles and not the rest of society I think as a community (which we just like to call ourselves) need to NOT back those kind of people when they get in trouble. We shouldn't rally behind idiots who keep certain herps because they are "one of us". We should throw them under the bus and make an example that the rest of us are not like them.

I make this point because someone brought up that we need to all stick together when it was discussed on another forum about the guy who was bit like 11 times by rattlers or something.

She had said we all need to rally behind him to keep his reptiles or whatever and that he's one of us. Him, and others who act like that, are NOT a part of the reptile community because they ONLY care about themselves and not the harm to everybody's hobby.

I actually agree with this.

[SnakeyJay]

Originally Posted by Aaron_S

Speaking about reptiles and not the rest of society I think as a community (which we just like to call ourselves) need to NOT back those kind of people when they get in trouble. We shouldn't rally behind idiots who keep certain herps because they are "one of us". We should throw them under the bus and make an example that the rest of us are not like them.

I make this point because someone brought up that we need to all stick together when it was discussed on another forum about the guy who was bit like 11 times by rattlers or something.

She had said we all need to rally behind him to keep his reptiles or whatever and that he's one of us. Him, and others who act like that, are NOT a part of the reptile community because they ONLY care about themselves and not the harm to everybody's hobby.

I couldn't have said it better, that's spot on!!

[Aaron_S]

I feel like adding that since we always want to police ourselves this is how. Give up these people to get properly fined or charges laid against them.

Weed them out and don't let them in to the real community.

The choice is ours to either have an upstanding community or a free-for-all that people seem to be okay with now that WILL see more bans.

[Danimal]

Originally Posted by Aaron_S

I feel like adding that since we always want to police ourselves this is how. Give up these people to get properly fined or charges laid against them.

Weed them out and don't let them in to the real community.

The choice is ours to either have an upstanding community or a free-for-all that people seem to be okay with now that WILL see more bans.

I am kinda right were you guys are, I don't think it's limited to the reptile community though, I believe it's to a lesser degree about education in the hobby and more about expanding the field of view. That's the rub though, how do you get people to change the way they think? I think this is a conversation worth having, but I think this is the wrong thread to have it in. I would love to get more of the groups input and hash it out a bit.

[Kettennatter]

Luigi, please don't take this as legal advise, since I'm not a lawyer, but to my knowledge the Ohio Dangerous Animal Act mandates the following:

A) Liability insurance is required for venomous snakes, not constrictors.

B) Registration and licensing is mandatory for constrictors of an actual length of 12 ft. or more. Depending on the size of your burms, the licensing requirement may not apply.

C) This law will take effect on Janury, 2014.

I would say that $150 for a non-breeding license is still steep, but far better than the alternative. Unfortunately, the Ohio law rewards those who purposely underfeed their animals.

[possum]

I'd advise you to stay within the laws (or move to where they are less restrictive?) if you care about your animals. It won't be "pretty" if (when) they are confiscated as illegal. Years back I jumped thru many hoops to keep some non-native rattlesnakes ("detrimental species"/venomous) in California, and yes, had to pay for permits & pass inspection. And that was just for some snakes that were dumped on me... personally I tend to like every snake I've been priviledged to know...are you sure you can't be happy with some 'shorter' ones?

[Pirarucu]

Welcome aboard!